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LIVE FROM THE RECORD STORE
:: Posted by MDGersper on May 06, 2013

Mike here, live from Independent Records. I’m quite sure the management would not approve of paying me to post on the DGM website. But what can I say? I live on the edge. Today’s selections include King Crimson Live At Cap D’Agde, 1982 as my King Crimson "live" kick continues. Thank you, Davidly, for your recomendation of the book by Sid Smith. I looked it up real quick on Amazon.com and noticed that it was something like $130.00. So the hunt begins to find the book in person at a reasonable price, although the computer I am using won’t allow me to check the DGM store for the book. Track now turning from Neil and Jack and Me to Elephant Talk.

Best wishes,

-Mike

Long Live Bakullama
:: Posted by cantspelldiKc on May 06, 2013

   i like the way you talk too and the way you play piano

High and Low
:: Posted by emory0 on May 06, 2013

"It doesn’t mean they’re stupid ~ some of them are probably smarter than you in general ~ it just means that music isn’t really a priority for them... it’s a pleasant background noise"

I think that’s really the meat of it.

As a younger guy I’d debate the notion that some music is just "better" than others, and I do on some level still hold this view.

But I think that view has been modulated by the notion spelled out above: Some people just don’t like music too much, but use it to fill the empty sonic voids in their life, kind of like foam insulation.

In the last bunch of years, I find myself occasionally doing the same: If friends come over for dinner then I’ll queue up some appropriate music: Lively and pleasant but not so excellent that it demands you shut up and pay attention.

On the other hand, I do still sometimes just SIT DOWN AND LISTEN, doing nothing else. And I maintain that this is the true test of music-as-music: Can you actually LISTEN to it? Has anyone ever, for instance, LISTENED to (say) "Moves Like Jagger"? I doubt it. Moves Like Jagger may be good for working out to (though I hate hearing it even at the gym), or dancing, but it’s not exactly MUSIC, is it?

And I don’t mean, ’it’s not music because I don’t like it’, I think it’s a more objective quality. I suspect the people that produced it had no intention that anyone actually listen to it.

And while I’m willing to admit to a little snootiness in my musical tastes, I think there’s something objective here also. Some music really IS just "better" than other music, even if no one really acknowledges such. The Rite of Spring, for instance is inherently better than Moves Like Jagger, though I’d be hardpressed to pin down why.

Larks' Tongues & Cheeky Aspects
:: Posted by davidly on May 06, 2013

I doubt anyone was offended, Mike. I did initially forgo a response to your comment because I thought it would only come off as yours did to me at the time, and deep down I understood where it was you were coming from. That said, I was reminded of a time when I was proud of my taste (read: too proud of; as pride, to my way of understanding, is fraught with "too muchness").

You’re right and wrong regarding your preferences being uncommon. Don’t forget that there is always more uncommon taste than our own. In this regard, there is a kind of Crimson aficionado whose taste is all-too predictable. I am not putting you in that category, nor would I want to offend them, but there you have it. Collectively, our preferences occupy a broad spectrum which is all-inclusive and who am I to qualify one or the other?

As far as superior desires go--and in the instance that that was not tongue in cheek--, that’s a whole ’nother can o’ worms.

Get Bruford’s biography and Sid Smith’s In the Court of King Crimson, which, if I’m am not mistaken, was to have a follow up?

Long Live the Crimson King II
:: Posted by MDGersper on May 06, 2013

Mike from Independent Records again. Sincere apologies to anyone I may have offended with my previous post. The post was meant to relay my overwhelming satisfaction that King Crimson is attracting new fans. I hazard (without deriding) that my personal music preferences are uncommon and attribute that without a Sherpa of my own, I’d likely not listen to the music that I enjoy. Which is why I allow myself to feel accomplished as a vessel for music I could not imagine to create. Perhaps one day I will waltz into a record store and find the works of Lil John And The East Side Boyz to be charming and refreshing, at which time I will make a point to inquire of the artist and purchase some material. Until then I am a slave to my current desires, which I am quite certain are superior to other desires. If they were not then I should desire something else. But I might also suppose that everyone feels that way and respect that approximation so much as to be acutely aware of the entirety of Psychopathic Records’ artists and releases. I am sure that being an impersonal method in which to communicate, my words were read in a tone which I did not intend. My intended tone was mild amusement and gratitude. Then again, that’s why I work at a record store and do not write novels for a living.

IN REGARDS TO THE HI-FIDELITY JACK BLACK COMPARISON: Yeah, it’s exactly like that. I don’t mean to be an elitist, but, you’re right. I humbly submit however that it could be a symptom of the music industry rather than a reflection on my character.

ALL OTHER SPECTATORS: Every time I spin a King Crimson album at my apartment (thank DGM and Steven Wilson for these amazing 5.1 DVDs, by the way) I feel compelled to read the liner notes. Occasionally I will read a CD booklet from start to finish, but more often than not I will take a quick glance at the credits to answer my question then get back to whatever it was I was doing (I once went through a minor freak-out when I noticed that Tony Levin started popping up in credits all over my CD collection). This method of saving some written treasure for the right time and place works well for me as I seem to get information as I am intended to receive it. I’m still trying to piece together the mysteries of the King Crimson story but last night, whilst listening to Red, I broke out the booklet, and began to read it. I noticed that David Cross was credited in the album and I am certain that I can hear him playing in it, although I am also led to believe that Cross had not been included in the recording of the album. So, I took out the Great Deceiver Volume II booklet and poured over the notes until I came across what I can only describe as a heart-breaking account from Mr. Cross regarding his time and purpose in the band. I think it is particularly sad for me because my favorite iteration of King Crimson is the Fripp-Brufford-Wetton-Cross iteration. Not to discount the Levin-Belew stuff, but I see that, in my own fogged mind, as something to be celebrated; a full life well lived. I go to that funeral and I am merry, full of food and drink, with a joke or a great memory, for there is an afterlife (ProjeKcts, etc.). When I go to the Fripp-Brufford-Wetton-Cross funeral, it is something to be mourned. I am sullen and disillusioned with an afterlife that includes Asia! Every time I listen to Larks’ Tongues In Aspic I am shocked that anyone could have recorded that music in 1973! Let alone begin to play it in 1972. Although, with loss comes fortune as I reiterate that I love Tony Levin and Adrian Belew. Anyway if anyone knows where I might get the definitive story of the band and it’s members, the comings and goings and interpersonal relationships etc., please post some links or suggestions up. Other than the liner notes that I have I’ve only seen a few interviews on Youtube. The interviews suggest that John Wetton was not happy with the disbandment in 1974/75, and that Robert Fripp wasn’t exactly pleased with any of the splits. Surprisingly I haven’t found a relevant Bill Bruford interview on the matter of King Crimson.

Derision, division
:: Posted by Bakullama on May 05, 2013

To my friend and regular guy Cantspelldick......

" I like the way you talk"

                   Slingblade

Find A Mate
:: Posted by gmoore on May 05, 2013

Okay Robert,

I have been a fan since birth BUT could you tell me what things attract you to another person such that you would marry.  In my mind, you could have been with just about anyone that you had your mind on.  But you found your true love.  Teach not guitar but symbiosis.

Greg, New York, USA

God's Work II
:: Posted by cantspelldiKc on May 05, 2013

   ego and derision, wow, how subtle was that, what i luv most about this forum is the ability of it’s psuedo intellectual peeps to throw e missiles in such a stealthy manner, the best one for me was the Dweezil incident, got to hear a bunch of haters on that one, i wonder if any of them ever listened to Shampoo Horn or Music for Pets, 2 groundbreaking albums, makes me wonder if the Dweeze would have to be traveling the planet playind his dad’s music to make a living, sure, everybody should listen to whatever but when an opportunity arises to enlighten others to what is important take it, using force is an option, always has been, after all, my health has been threatened twice on this forum alone, i don’t bother with the inferences of idiocy, i can’t count that high, anyway i personally will continue shoving the likes of KC down mutherfuckers throats for the Good of the planet, later.      Richard Philpott

Record Store Workers
:: Posted by WaitingMan on May 05, 2013

I spent many years working in record / CD stores & it does seem to breed & foster a certain judgmentalism & elitism... seeing first-hand just how many people buy the latest packaged pop product, wondering just how many copies of ’Hotel California’ the world really needs & being amazed at how so much good music can go unheard by so many... except those of us who work in the shop

If you thought that Jack Black’s character in ’High Fidelity’ was fictional, you’re wrong. The only difference is that he got to say all those things out loud that most of us were thinking... & still think, apparently, if Mike is any example

But there are lots of people out there who think that Rihanna sings catchy tunes & don’t really care who Robert Fripp is. It doesn’t mean they’re stupid ~ some of them are probably smarter than you in general ~ it just means that music isn’t really a priority for them... it’s a pleasant background noise while they get on with other things, like biochemistry, or software development... or driving a bus

If you have the chance to play them King Crimson, by all means do so. If they like it, that’s fantastic. But if they don’t... it doesn’t make you better than them, just different

That’s why there’s so much different music in the world... & may that always be so

GC grace
:: Posted by FraKcman on May 05, 2013

Does anyone know/recall the grace said before meals at GC courses and, if so, please could they post it here?

Many thanks.

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