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:: Posted by wildea on June 27, 2015

Anyone know anything about this gig?

Institute Of Contemporary Arts, London, 09 28 1980

Sid is there interest in having a copy of this gig?

I believe we have a copy of the very poor quality audience recording that's been in circulation for many years.


Nothing he's got he really needs
:: Posted by Royston on June 27, 2015

Thanks to davidly for a thoughtful, perceptive and resonant post.

Making me (and probably quite a few others) wonder where I am on the continuum, assuming there is a continuum in the first place.

Notable book about music, piracy and streaming
:: Posted by michelforest on June 27, 2015

I do hope this won’t be viewed as a shameful act of advertising (I don’t know the author nor do am I affiliated to his publisher) but anybody who is interested in the effect of online piracy on the music industry should read Stephen Witt’s "How Music Got Free". The author explains in details how the mp3 was invented, how online piracy evolved over the years and how the musical industry was completely turned around as a result of these two factors. The author builds his narrative around three people: the German inventor of the mp3, the CEO of Universal Music at that time and the factory worker who leaked thousands of records on the Internet weeks before their official release. Even if you think you know everything about the new face of the music business, you will still learn something interesting. (And the numerous references to Universal Music will probably make you think about the recent litigations between DGM and UMG.)

Re; Vinyl pros & cons!
:: Posted by Valhalla on June 26, 2015

The so called resurgence of the ’new’ vinyl, is one of suspicion perhaps? Didn’t Neil Young say something a little while ago in regards to the source of the recording for ’new’ vinyl! Something about the copying of the digital sound source, not the original analogue, as it used to be? Something along those lines anyway. Some say he was simply promoting his new Pono player!
i can understand folks hanging onto to their record collection from past days & being nostalgic about it, even though I didn’t. Excepting a handful of classic cover albums, Tull’s TAAB & Santana’s triple live ’Lotus’ for example & a few other rarities! Recordings can sound woeful no matter what format, record or cd. I prefer to listen to cd to avoid the crackle & pop annoyance, not to mention being able to program certain tracks etc! Early cd ’pressings’ were taken from vinyl masters, from what I have read, so there were certain limitations. However these days it is very different, to my ears at least! Each to their own as we say.

About the Blowback of Vinyl
:: Posted by davidly on June 26, 2015

I understand where michelforest is coming from; I felt back in 1987 much the way he does now. I can likewise relate to snkzato1 and Bakullama, as I miss some of the experiences they describe.

In the eighties I made the decision to go all-in on compact discs and let what little vinyl I had left remain with another’s collection. By the end of the decade, I had acquired more than a few hundred cds, and I used to share a fantasy with a friend of mine about owning a cd jukebox with an advanced interface that would allow us to... well, essentially do what we can do with digital media now. In other words, the current state of affairs — as michelforest as well would have them — are a dream come true.

But something is missing. It’s not sitting down to a warm side of vinyl. No. What is in essence missing is revealed in the fact that in spite of my missing the aforementioned experiences, I am not going back to the LP. And this is not because the cons outweigh the pros. I can rationalize it that way, sure, but the truth is that the digital age has turned me into a person who would sacrifice whatever meagre value the material world has offered me personally without benefit of any of the intangibles so many of us spend our lives in search of. The only thing my hard drive delivers is the excuse for me to get from A to Z more quickly, which all too often has led to my skipping the other twenty-four letters of the alphabet even though I know it’d be time well spent.

You could say that’s on me and you’d be right; and obviously this does not apply to everyone. But for me, it’s not the ever-quickening button pushing aspect, rather my willful disengagement from a more refined sensual existence.  I could point out the crappy sound quality of so much music, new and old, issued on compact disc from the nineties onward, thanks to the "loudness war" or whatever else. But that is only part of the greater issue, I think.

snkzato1’s shelf is a fine personal example of the meaning inherent in a simple, if relative to today’s standard, cumbersome ritual. To this I would add the discipline it takes to maintain a record collection. There is value in ritual, and the current value of mine vis a vis listening to music might be measured in the acceleration of a digital turd falling into a toilet forever. Surely, that’s just a joke. I hope so.

With every breakthrough in technology we promise ourselves a higher quality standard of living, but what we give to ourselves is something that began as optional only to become standard – and before we know it, we cannot do without it.

The time we promised ourselves that we’d save – with this wonderful technology I use now as I type – is anchored to an eternal compromise that can be witnessed on any overcrowded underground train as rush hour commuters are still frantically emailing their boss & colleagues on their way home from a long day at work. We might say, "Only twenty years ago, I never could have done this job so quickly," but did the added productivity really lead to a more gratifying lifestyle from just two decades past?

The people jumping back into vinyl, I suppose, might be reaching out, if sometimes only subconsciously, for just one bit of the long lost ritual. They are more disciplined than I and I am glad they exist. I thank michelforest, snkzato1, and Bakullama for the thought provocation. I promise myself to sit still and listen to an entire side, at least, the next time I listen to music at home. Even if it is digital, I can do myself that small favor.

Vinyl fetish
:: Posted by Bakullama on June 26, 2015

I’m with snkzato on the vinyl. Full size posters, booklike covers, fine art, beautiful and stylish old tech to play it on... The music sounds wonderful to me even with a few snaps and crackles. i have been buying and selling records on amazon since 2000 and the fad seems to be ongoing... Some are very valuable... Many can be had for a dollar or less. Whats not to like?

RE: About the comeback of vinyl
:: Posted by snkzato1 on June 26, 2015

I got into vinyl collecting about 5 years ago and I’m laughing at the truth of this comic you are referencing. I’d love to see it.

BUT a few arguments for vinyl
1. The big cover art, and when a band inserts a bunch of extras. A good example is The Mars Volta’s Frances the Mute. The artwork in the triple gatefold is amazing and each sleeve has more art too. That doesn’t replicate to a CD very well and certainly not an MP3.
2. Audio quality on vinyl is better if you have the setup, which is costly. There is a charm to the crackles, pops, and overall warmer analog sound.
3. You’re buying actual albums. Supporting artists, buying real physical media. Vinyl and concert tickets....that’s my way of putting food on a musicians plate.

Which leads to the my favorite reason to getting into vinyl which is the that listening to records (for me as cliche as it sounds) is the whole ’experience’ of it. There is something special about fishing for a record on your shelf, putting on the turntable, having to flip it, and more or less having to listen to the whole album in order. It is way more gratifying that cycling through an ipod or my computer where I can just select ANYTHING I want. Here my selection is limited, and the experience is pretty fixed. It makes it more special for me.

Its also the fun of seeing your wall of records on your oversized shelf that dominates your living room. The oversized shelf you and your dad built specially for your records which led to some quality family bonding time. Yes its inconvenient, but its still great to see, and then you have friends who come over and gawk at your wall of inconvenience and nostalgia.

I joke often to my friends and family that my next hobby will be less inconvenient and inexpensive, but I’m still digging this one.

I was just now thinking about...
:: Posted by jbricker on June 25, 2015

KC 2014 live CD, full release
Beat 40th Anniversary Set

Any ETA on available for these beasts? Beasts, I say - !

All happening in 2015 as far as things currently stand. If that change, we'll let you know...

K.C. Toronto dates 2015
:: Posted by stevearle on June 25, 2015

Regarding the return of King Crimson to a Toronto stage... a quote.

                               "....and the rest of you, if ya just rattle yer jewellery."

Thanks but...

About the comeback of vinyl
:: Posted by michelforest on June 25, 2015

About a month ago, there was an entry on the forum about the upswing of vinyl sales. This reminds me of a great New Yorker cartoon showing a hipster talking to a friend saying "The two reasons I got into vinyl are the expense and the inconvenience." While I miss the big sleeves that came with the LPs, I am still baffled by the new appeal of vinyl... I have not owned a turntable in more than 20 years and do not miss it one bit. To each his own, of course, but I do believe the LP comeback is a fad. Time will tell.

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