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:: Posted by emory0 on October 12, 2014

"This is a big F**K YOU to us blue collar working class King Crimson fans who couldnít afford to buy a plane ticket and fly half way across the country, and shell out $300 to see our favorite band"

Calm down there, lilí fella! Youíve got so many assumptions packed into this I canít believe you were, uh, completely sober when you wrote this. First, must it be pointed out that "no plans" doesnít exactly mean "no"? They just completed the tour. Do they really need to have made a decision about video before the end of the tour itself?

And as someone else mentioned, there may be additional tours of this band in the future. New versions of Crimson always seem to take a while to gel, so maybe any plans that have been made for video focus on another tour, perhaps in 2015?

Finally, even though there are 7 players, none of them are particularly showman-like, at least not to Adrian Belewís extent. Thereís not actually a ton to see over-and-above a photo of the band. Certainly, however, there will be audio and thatís what really counts. Iím hoping there will be some actual CDs, too, perhaps of Collectorís Club quality and format.

To summarize: Just chillax a bit and Iím sure all will come in due time.

:: Posted by andyfromozz on October 12, 2014

It should be no suprise that a band as musically extreme as KC, would have extremely different fans. On one side the "childishly passionate" on the other the "po faced, serious music for serious people" brigade. All good, variety is the spice of life! Iíve never accused DGM of "gouging" fans, in fact I think that itís great that we can buy Starless as a single LP or have the megabox. Now that is REALLY giving fans what they want. My childish disappointment at the "no dvd in the pipeline" announcement is my own disappointment. Though I see that some of my fellow fansters are also as disappointed, but some have said they donít care about seeing the band, well bully for them! I took responsibility for my ranting, but I stand by comments that the build up on this site seemed to be a tease towards new KC product, including a live DVD. I actually posted that very question to Sid early in the piece and he didnít reply (which also fueled my fire!) BTW in the broadcast industry, a "teaser" is a tanalizing snippet shown in advance of an upcoming program, so to the person that equated my "all tease no orgasm" gag as having "rape mentality" or words to that effect, get some therapy! Music is what counts in the end, sure Iím disappointed that I wont get to see it, but I continue to look forward very much to at least, hearing it sometime soon. andy from OZ

In the court of the crimson king memories
:: Posted by holmini on October 12, 2014

For me, my first impression of kc music came through my brother

Me around 1993 a keen fan of Tony Banks music, had recently discovered an artist called Toyah who had worked with Tony Banks on "Lion of symmetry" and bought some early toyah records. So before kc, I was first a fan of toyah....

My brother at that time listened to yes, peter hammill, king crimson ... and I remember hearing old king crimson pieces while driving together in a small Fiat Panda car.

For Christmas 93, I had the wish for the collection album "sleepless", and my brother fulfilled this wish.  It  featured 3 pieces from "in the court of the crimson king", some abridged.

I feeled than and still feel that "21st century schizoid man" has a very special energy.
I love the harmonics and emotion of "epitaph",
the flute-sound intermezzo in the end of íIn the court of the crimson kingí for me seemed for me to have been a clear inspiration for Genesis for the Dukeís Travels/Dukeís Ends intermezzo.

Some years later I bought the album "In the court of the crimson king" on LP in a second hand record shop in germany called "the musical box" .  What I loved about it when I heard it recently, is also that there is a lot of room & space & freedom  in the instrumental part of "moonchild" - to my ears that is a good balance to the energetic spirit in 21st Century Schizoid man.

I find "I talk to the wind" (McDonald/Sinfield) beautiful, and sensitive. 
Sometimes I wonder if Robert Fripp still loves that track, too - all the fights in the music business, and to work under bad conditions, and to deal with photographers and bad spirits, ... I could understand if he favoured ístraightnessí as it can be in many cases a sign of more transperency... (that would have been a question for Robert , but way too late - as the tour is over now)

At times when I had the thought that my own memory is weak, I sing to myself the lyrics for "In the court of the crimson king", and as I can remember them, this lifts me up and reassures me ;).

I am thankful for this truly unique observation


DVD hubbub
:: Posted by snkzato1 on October 12, 2014

A lot of tempers are flaring for what does not seem to be a good reason. Are people this flustered over a lack of a concert DVD? As someone who attended the show let me state, subjectively of course, that it would not be the that interesting of a DVD. The drummers were amazing to view, but the back line was pretty motionless during the show (not a complaint, just an observation).

I guess Iím confused why there is such a demand to have a video of a bunch of middle aged men standing stationary playing some brilliant music. There is no Adrian Belew flailing around and even Tony seemed a bit more subdued than in his earlier days (to be fair the last time he was in a KC DVD was what...1996?). I am 100% confident we will get at least one live album out of this tour and that is the way this music is best enjoyed. Crank the stereo and dance to your hearts content. Heck, I was a little bummed that there were assigned seats as it made dancing much more challenging in being respectful to those around me. This is music and music is not for watching it is for listening.

To the individual claiming you HAD to spend $300 for good seats, that is rubbish. Yes some of the shows were pretty vicious in their pricing *cough* The Vic *cough*, but other shows were very reasonable such as in Madison and in Albany where for 40-60 bones you would get a very good seat (The difference in seating between premium $300 tickets and íplebeianí $60 tickets in Madison was comically insignificant). Believe me, as a poor grad student I was pretty annoyed at first at how expensive the tickets were, but sometimes you have to spoil yourself....and eat nothing but ramen noodles for a week! I was more annoyed by how out of this world the íservice feesí are. 14 bucks to take my online order? Give me a break.

I can empathize with the frustration of missing one of your favorite music acts, especially when it is their first tour in 6 years, but it has come and gone. Time to focus on tomorrow rather than lamenting on what could have been.

Go buy your Stick Men and Power Trio tickets.

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:: Posted by cuicawrangler on October 12, 2014

Out of curiosity: do the artists (King Crimson) get more return if I buy an item (Starless box) on Inner Knot rather than Amazon, or is it about equal in the end? I have found Inner Knotís shipping time to be a bit pokey in the past, but Iím happy to wait a bit if itís the right thing. Thanks!
The artists get a bigger share when ordering mail order via Inner Knot and Burning Shed.

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:: Posted by jacethecrowl on October 12, 2014

I know DGM is gonna do what they want, but Iím curious if others out there would rather have a complete show (maybe from one they attended) or a curated selection of the íbestí renderings of each song? I didnít get "One More Red Nightmare" in the set I saw, but would also not want it at the expense of something else. Myself, I would rather get the entire repertoire of the tour in one release (that is, a compilation). And I hope itís forthcoming soon!

To Mr. Rockette:
:: Posted by froggy55 on October 12, 2014

That would be all the more reason to film at least one of the tour dates for posterity, donít you think?


:: Posted by Rockette on October 12, 2014

Froggy55, thanks for your reply .

>your remark about a dvd being expensive lacks merit, because a GOOD SEAT WAS A MINIMUM $300! If they canít afford to produce a dvd making that kind of money THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG!

Have you factored in the cost of touring? 7 musicians (inc. 3 Americans), 8 crew, 23 days UK rehearsals, 15 days US rehearsals, rehearsal studio fees, work visas, Transatlantic flights, air freight bills, hotels, per diems, management and agency commissions, vehicle hire, P.A. and equipment hire, equipment repair... thatís a lot of money. Ask any tour or band manager.


They didnít play in London, Paris, Berlin, Rome, Madrid, Oslo, Helsinki, Prague, Tokyo, Buenos Aires, Rio de Janeiro or East Grinstead either, but I donít see anyone else here shouting about it. Most people seem happy the band has started touring again, and understand that at this stage in their long and illustrious careers, these musicians are not going to undertake the sort of mad tour schedules they did in their twenties.

The KC 2014 Tour
:: Posted by Michael35711 on October 12, 2014

I am grateful KC has returned.

I was not able to see the band.

I hope that live recordings of KC VII, the current band, are released.

I hope that I am able to see this band live in the future.

But whatever the future holds, the formation(3 drums as frontline, trad frontline as backline) is very inspiring for me.

I do hope that I get to see and hear this band, but I am reminded of Keats thoughts on unheard melodies.

The music I imagine KCVII playing is powerful and amazing.

The music KCVII is playing is, I am sure, powerful and amazing.

The relationship between my imagination and KCís reality has always been an amazing place where magic happens, even if the two do not coincide.

Thank you, Mr. Fripp.

:: Posted by farranhite on October 12, 2014

You Tube Hits in the last 7 days

KC 1200
Yes 2510
David Cameron 5680
Pink Floyd (wih a new album to be immenently released ) 11800
Genesis 15500
God 67600

What are we to make of all this?
What conclusions can we draw?
Do you need to release a new DVD to gain popularity?
The ratings give a clear message.....
In last place KC, the neuro surgeons scream for more !!
Close to the bottom "Yes" the cracked brass bells will ring.
The great leader of UK inc ,4th place a politicians funeral pyre possibly?
Next the Pinky Floyds with their impending requiem to Rick Wright, drifting on the echoes of the hours
Genesis penultimate, playing hide and seek with the ghosts of dawn,
And in pole position,you guessed it,  well not suprising  really with Genesis over with.

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