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Intonation and Phrasing
:: Posted by emory0 on February 13, 2014
Some years back my father (a trombone player) was playing in Anzi Mathewsí big band, and he was sitting next to a New York latin trumpet player. On the first day of rehearsals the latin dude pulled a machete out of his case and, showing it to my father, said: YOU phrase with ME...
"Yessir," said my father.
The subtext here, as I understood it, was that because the trombone has a slide, itís very easy to adjust intonation to surrounding instruments, and not possible (after a song starts) for a valved trumpet to do so. Plus, the trombone can play LOUD, so itís easy for a trombone to make a trumpet sound like itís being played out of tune, and the Latin dude was having none of that.
:: Posted by Ornate_Coal_Man on February 13, 2014
A saxophonist from Philadelphia (I forget his name) had a long standing argument with Pat Martino, a guitarist of some renown (also from Philadelphia) about a third musician (also from Philadelphia). That third fellow and fellow exponent of Brotherly Love was a saxophonist named John Coltrane.
The saxophonist declared, "Pat, címon, everyone knows Trane played sharp". Martino stood his ground. Absolutely NOT! He was not sharp!
Normally, I would side always with any saxophonist against nearly each and every tab ítard. Why?
What do you call two guitarists playing in unison? Counterpoint.
Equal Temperament vs. 'Just' Intonation...
:: Posted by JeffTruzzi on February 13, 2014
Öor "Pitch & Yaw."
A flautist with the local symphony told me that if he is playing a C note against the orchestraís F major chord (the perfect fifth) and remains on that note while the orchestra moves to an Ab major chord (now playing the major third), heís got to move down fifteen cents in pitch despite staying on the same note. Which is why orchestral strings donít have frets, and woodwinds and brass can be manipulated to vary the intonation as required.
Guitar and keyboard players think of F# being enharmonically equivalent to Gb. String and horn players usually pitch the former a little bit higher than the latter.
As Turnip says, you can hear the difference on a standard tuned guitar,
comparing the chimed 4th fret harmonic on the low E string (the íjustí major 3rd)
with the fretted 4th fret G# on the high E string (the equally tempered major 3rd.)
:: Posted by dubhthaigh on February 12, 2014
Given the many shots Fripp has posted down the garden, I honestly hope that he, Toyah, you all are safe, warm and dry. In the Mid Atlantic, itís been a big winter. In fact everywhere East of Chicago has had a time of it. No need to post this. Just thinking of you all and wishing you warmer, sunnier, dryer days ahead. In teh words of St George (Carlin): The planetís not going anywhere, we are.
:: Posted by emory0 on February 12, 2014
"Sorry to get all nerdy. Keep calm, carry on ... Sean"
Actually it was just the opposite: You were layiní out facts based on direct experience. Very valuable and very interesting.
I didnít know lutes had movable frets, by the way. Iíll have to take a look at an image of one again.
As for that Jacob Heringman CD, I remember purchasing the Joaquin duPrey (sp?) one back when it came out. Shortly thereafter, I bumped into a woman in my apartment building who was carrying a lute (in a case) and we struck up a conversation, and told her about the CD.
A week or two later I saw her again in a Starbucks and said hello to her and her husband (who was in wheelchair, quite obviously permanently) and she completely brushed me off and acted like the conversation hadnít happened. I felt a little annoyed, but itís not like we were friends or anything so was more baffled than angry.
Only later did I realize that she didnít want her wheelchair-bound husband to get the idea that she was running around chatting up strange music-loving neighbors!
Ah the chaos that DGM releases and early music bring into oneís life!
Re: Jacob Heringman - Wow!
:: Posted by jbricker on February 12, 2014
I purchased Jacobís two DGM CDs back in the day. I highly recommend them both - Black Cow: Lute Music by Valentin Bakfark and Matthšus Waissel (1999) and Josquin des Prez: sixteenth-century lute settings (2000)
Lest it go not not entirely underappreciated
:: Posted by davidly on February 12, 2014
The server space and administration of this site; the information provided therein; Stormyís hot ticks, Sidís commentary and updatery, Davidís labour of love, the work provided more or less behind the scenery (some names recalled (Nicky the Bookkeeper) some less so (this or that cat in the Art Dept)); the forum here at no cost incurrence on the part of the Guest Bookers (in which nuggets of wisdom can occasionally be found almost worthy of their own Discipline Knot of Aphorism-ism); and, of course, the diarised minutiae forth-endeavoured freely by His Venality, from which the occasional sentence bares repeating if only for my own gladdening:
Introducing the Practice of Doing Nothing to the Beginners at 07.30.
:: Posted by AndrewJohn on February 12, 2014
Danny Baker Rocks The Seventies (A Bit) featured Eno in a ínot seen here beforeí video of him performing Seven Deadly Sins. íEno in the guise of a popstarí - considering when this was the good Captains fashion sense pre dates Eddie Izzards by years!
Its a fantastic thing to see now, and considering how crucial is his influence on KC and Fripp was and is itís a real pleasure to witness something so out there.
Check it out ...its about 7 mins into the programme aired in the same early morning before Rockiní Decades.
Jacob Heringman - Wow!
:: Posted by HarrySpade on February 11, 2014
Thanks Sean Turnip! I enjoyed your post regarding intonation, both as a guitarist and history buff. Youíve given me a few things to investigate.
And I double-thank you for putting Jacob Heringman on my musical radar. I had never heard of him, but I enjoy "old" music and that lute playing is just fantastic.
I regret that I have but one life to spend listening to music.
Re: Pitch and Intonation
:: Posted by RickyM on February 11, 2014
"... I was thinking this was going to be a lively chat about cricket and visa procedures . . ."
It wasnít? No?
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