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Bill's Montreal....
:: Posted by charlietip on July 14, 2014

so R-F was miffed at Billís effort,well it is percussion heavy
but thatís no bad thing,but it was done on the hoof whereas
R-F had time and technology for his version and it is still drums to the fore..that is no bad thing..result.. one of the best
Crimson live recordings ever.
will the current crop of crimson old geezers reach this standard?..i wonder...wouldnít mind the opportunity to find out though ! ..any chance of a tour of N E Scotland..itís nice here..........."Islands "Forever....xx

Bill's Montreal Mix
:: Posted by revroth on July 13, 2014

Actually, this was heard by a larger audience than the audience at the show, who would have been hearing something else entirely, a live mix presumably prepared by the sound man.

Billís mix was created for a radio broadcast, and subsequently widely bootleged, most famously as the "Absent Lovers" release. Thatís how it came to pass and whatís kept it in circulation. The later official release has a mix supervised by Robert. I donít recall, but it may be in the notes there that he shares his feelings on Billís mix and the perspective on Crimson it reflected.

Bill's Montreal
:: Posted by Hajduk1973 on July 13, 2014

There is one short snippet of Bill Brufordí s perspective of Montreal show. Itís part of "Frame By Frme" box set. One can easily compare the differences listening to "Satori InTangier" from both releases: "Absent Lovers" and "Frame By Frame".

nothing else new under the sun
:: Posted by Undisciplined on July 12, 2014

:: DannyX wrote:

"When I was given a copy of Billís mix, it confirmed my sense of Billís Crimson world-view, and gave deep offence." This statement opens a whole new can of worms....

Actually this quote has appeared previously, but the above perspective couldnít have been more apt.  This could be interpreted in a variety of different ways, depending on context.  Since, ostensibly, only the fine Crimson fans in Montreal, and precious few others, only heard that paricular mix, the rest of us can only speculate.  Without the benefit of all the facts, itís difficult to eliminate knee-jerk overreaction and ego stroking as part of of the equation.


Re: Pronounciation . . .
:: Posted by cloudscapes on July 12, 2014

A matter, perhaps, of how the the "G" skipped the light fantastic off the tongues of Messrs. Belew and Levin any given show.  Iíve heard them sing it using both inflections, so clearly a case of having your cake and eating it too.  Cheers!

:: Posted by apisch on July 11, 2014

This has been bothering me for years, after listening to MANY live versions of the song Thela Hun Ginjeet.  Is the "G" pronounced as a hard "G" (gone) or soft "G" (giraffe)?  Iíve always chosen the latter, but think it may actually be the former.  Please answer, so I can finally get some sleep.

Absent Lovers
:: Posted by DannyX on July 11, 2014

"When I was given a copy of Billís mix, it confirmed my sense of Billís Crimson world-view, and gave deep offence." This statement opens a whole new can of worms....

The brick wall of 84...
:: Posted by emory0 on July 11, 2014

Davidly wrote...

"Joining Crim pals by the window. Ade suggested that yesterday eveningís performance was one for the ages. All agreed. Silence arrived."

Assuming that diary entry is real (and it certainly appears to be), DavidLy seems to suggest that the REAL reason Crimson broke up was because they had acheived the ultimate expression of the 84 band. I, at least, have long felt that the Absent Lovers discs give a far better representation of the 80s band than any of the studio albums.

And thatís a far more satisfying narrative for Crimson, no? Yeah, theyíd been ground down by touring and the usual operational and interpersonal issues had clogged up the gears. But Crimson being Crimson (and Fripp, Bruford, Levin and Belew being who they are), it makes far more sense to consider that the band had acheived all that it could musically and so it was time to stop (ie, as opposed to moving onward into museum band status, like the Stones or Pink Floyd, etc...).

A Scent Hovers
:: Posted by davidly on July 11, 2014

Sunday, 12th July 1984


Hotel Mediocre Un Certain Odeur, Montreal, Canada

Rising this a.m. with Crim-sounds du Spectrum in my head, more specifically, a nocturnal, adventurous version featuring Le Batterie Billy Quartet.


Breakfasting Buffet nť Trough I...
II, III, IV [images not available]

It occurs to me that the difference between breakfasts English, Continental, French, French Canadian, and French Canadian Continental is one of accent.

Joining Crim pals by the window. Ade suggested that yesterday eveningís performance was one for the ages. All agreed. Silence arrived.

Crimson at festivals
:: Posted by Teledan on July 10, 2014

I went to an event called the H.O.R.D.E. festival sometime back around í96 or í97, specifically ícuz Crimso was booked. I thought "No need to arrive early, theyíll be put on sometime later in the day". Even though we were there by around 2:00, they had already played! Bummer! My friend and I stuck around for some of the more pedestrian fare, Lenny Kravitz, Blues Traveler, et. al., and made the most of it.

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