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Copy or coincidence?
:: Posted by Bakullama on February 14, 2015

The Kinks (1964) "all day and all of the night". And The Doors hello, I love you" (1968) share a pretty similar line. I think itís coincidental, but there was some legal wrangling about it.

In the liner notes to The Doors Box set, Robby Krieger has denied the allegations that the songís musical structure was stolen from Ray Davies, where a riff similar to it is featured in the Kinks ďAll Day and All of the NightĒ. Instead, he said the songís vibe was taken from Creamís song ďSunshine of Your LoveĒ.
Ė The Doorsí wikipedia page for ďHello, I Love YouĒ

:: Posted by markvankempen on February 14, 2015

I say, Thrakattak II - The Return Of The Sons Of Thrak, is something to look forward to. The 1996 Thrakattak has the curious effect of making me dizzy, similar to Karlheinz Stockhausenís Hymnen and Prozession. On Thrakattak, the six players each have their own little repertoire of phrases to expand on, adding them to the collective soup at random in ever changing combinations, with unforseen results. It comes close to the method Stockhausen used for Prozession. As there are several things happening simultaneously while in flux all the time, the listener is forced to use their associative faculty to the max to forge some fleeting connections, while the impression remains that there is still a lot going on that cannot be grasped. Not everybodyís idea of musical entertainment, I suppose.

I wonder if Steven Wilson could be persuaded to mix one of the concert recordings to be included in the Thrakboxx. It hasnít escaped my attention that Steven is a very busy man these days, seemingly hellbent on remixing the entire í70s British progressive rock output single-handed. If only Steven could be cloned...or has he?

Thank you, David. But...
:: Posted by jbricker on February 14, 2015

Appreciate the answer, Mr. Singleton; thank you. But I think the year on that Warfield show is 1995. Crimso was storming Europe in June of í96.

In re Up Close & Personal & Wearing The Merch re Superstar super fan xxx
:: Posted by simplyfan on February 14, 2015

Thanks for reminding,Sid. Iím gonna go to purchase ... ... something. My Lady would get mad, Valentineís and the first day of Spring seems to be really important dates.
And 31 August from now on.
I canít wait on tour (with "Indiscipline" and "The Gathering Sky" in the programme?), and then a box set - all performances and bonus shots "Bubbly Life" or whatever.
Iíll be there. And you will see me; fevered old josser in the first row, grinning and clapping unusually!

Vicar Songbook
:: Posted by Bakullama on February 13, 2015

Guess what! I find it very pleasant, moody and somewhat old school... In a good way. If I was forced to compare with others, Iíd say a blend of 10cc, Beatles, Brian Wilson and Yo Yo Ma. And those arenít a bad bunch of guys.

Obviously qualified musicianship emanating from instruments I probably could not identify since they donít have volume knobs. My teenage Daughter liked it too when we played it in the car on an hour long drive to the nearest mall for clothes shopping... Or she could have been hustling me for a bigger clothing allowance. (Yeah Dad... I like it!!). If you would like a 1970s CREEM style amateur review just for giggles, well, itís on its way.

On the way home from shopping she tortured me with EMINEM and 4 bags of expensive tops and shoes that I donít know how I am going to pay for... One of the many reasons I am unable to spring for the "Road to Red" and other nifty items I hope to have one day, if they donít all sell out.

Sometimes when I re-read my posts here I wonder if they are taken as being a bit "snide". Yes, Iím a smartass... Iím working on that. But I cannot bring myself to give "YOuKnoWWhaTT" another listen... Yet.


European shows in 2015
:: Posted by Hubert on February 13, 2015

Any chance of an additional concert in Brussels? Wasnít La Grande Place one of Mr Frippís favourite European spots? While Utrecht and Paris are not TOO far away from my present abode in Belgium, I would certainly have to book a hotel for at least one night in one of those two cities. I consider myself a huge fan - nay, more than that: a Fripp disciple - but this is becoming too expensive for me. Iím extremely sorry, but Iíll have to pass.
Hi Hubert,
there are no other dates in Europe planned.

:: Posted by Bakullama on February 12, 2015

Thanks bloggulator for your well thought out and nicely written response... I may very well be the only one here who after many attempts to get it... Never did.

Thrak Box - Warfield DVD
:: Posted by jbricker on February 12, 2015

My question for Mr Singleton -

The Crimson shows at the Warfield in 1995 were over three nights (June 24 - 26). Is the footage all from the same night, or is it a compilation from the three?

My first Crimson show; very memorable! California Guitar Trio opened!

- Jim

:: Posted by bloggulator on February 12, 2015

The news of more THRaKaTTak is music for these ears!

I can understand how some listeners can be put off by, or outright reject it; after all, every semblance of what we expect in traditional musical organization has to be shelved - much of the time, there is no obvious rhythm center, no discernible or repeatable chord structure, melodic content is fragmented, and the dynamics range from a gentle caress to being whacked upside the head with a piece of 2x4. In other words, first impressions are often of chaos and cacophony.

I purchased my (now well played) CD copy of THRaKaTTak shortly after its initial release in the mid 1990s. My first impression, when the long, segued improv finally closed out with the outro riffing, was "phew, that was hard work". It was another few months before I gave it another airing, but this time it all started to make more sense. Each subsequent listening has uncovered more musical gems and moments of excellence, as well as some inevitable "warts and pimples" - which of course, are part and parcel of improvised music. I can now say that THRaKaTTak is my favorite KC recording of improvised music, and that includes the classic offerings by the 1972-74 band - but it did take some effort on the part of this listener.

Group improvisation (as opposed to jamming) is supremely tough - itís a different ballgame compared to solo instrument improv, or the standard jazz format of players taking individual turns soloing over a fixed structure. Autopilot, reliance on stock licks, or any other "safe ground" approach, is cast to the wind, and every band member has to be acutely aware of what everyone else is doing, and how to respond, what notes to play, and what not to, and when to be quiet... and all without thinking about it! As we all know, this mindset is not part of standard rock expression! Audiences, especially in these days of limited attention span, and being presented with something so radical, are likely to reject this largely unexplored area of musical expression out of hand. Even when RF played Soundscapes on the G3 tour - which is easier on the ear than the likes of THRaKaTTak - a number in the audience rejected it - partly perhaps because it wasnít what they expected from a guitarist sharing the stage with Satriani and Vai.

King Crimson has a long history of including ínot easy listeningí material, a well established part of the bandís acquired vocabulary. If there is an audience in the world which can handle, or understand this type of sonic palette, itís that of KC. Even though I personally favor structured songs and instrumentals in general over the improv offerings, the latter can take the listener to the most unexpected places - when it works of course! Just give it a chance!

More THRaKaTTak? Bring it on!

nik g

Full agreement with Singleton
:: Posted by albemuth on February 12, 2015

"I often feel that one of the worst inventions of this infernal industry of ours is the concept of copyright Ė particularly when it confers ownership of a particular set of notes on an individual or company."

Of course, this made me think of George Harrisonís copyright dustup regarding "My Sweet Lord."  I always thought his video for "This Song" did a good job at showing how crazy a legal analysis of simple melodies and harmonic changes can get. 

This also made me remember that, some years ago, an acquaintance of mine was marketing a food product.  Because of the clever name of the product, he was attempting to gain a copyright on the word "cool." 

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