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recording with Bowie in 1977
:: Posted by siggister on March 09, 2013
Would Mr. Fripp like to comment on rumours that he was not keen on working with Edgar Froese in 1977 during the recording sessions for a Bowie album?
download debate: a tongue-in-cheek comment from RT
:: Posted by syncopatico on March 08, 2013
The always witty and insightful Richard Thompson recently did a promotional-type in the studio live appearance for a non-commercial, listener-supported public radio station in the NYC area.
During the interview segment, Mr. Thompson mentioned that he would be performing the next night as "doing kind of a record launch, as they used to call it" for his new CD (which was to be released the next day). The dj interviewing him replied, "Exactly. Now what is it?" Richard responded with his trademark sly, knowing laugh, "Now, itís, uh... a free download launch." ;)
Re: Morning Chaff
:: Posted by Carnamagos on March 08, 2013
When humans disappear, then all the mathematics and geometry "in" nature will disappear along with them. Finding patterns in nature has tremendous pragmatic value (so long as pragmatists exist to make use of them), but zero ontological value. (Yes, I am an anti-Platonist).
Downloading rare and out of print
:: Posted by davidfsnyder on March 08, 2013
"All but lost recordings online
:: Posted by robomusic on March 07, 2013
So, how does this kind of downloading/bootlegging figure into the debate?"
Yeah, thatís a thorny issue. There is no sense in feeding the scavengers, sharks, and thieves who just by luck or greed happen to have a hard copy that they had no hand in creating. They are rent-seekers, seeking a profit yet neither creating nor producing anything additional in value, just taking advantage of low supply versus higher demand. When the supply gets low enough they can ask their extortionary prices, but what right do they have under copyright law?
One thing: do a public library search (certainly some library in the US, hopefully in your town, has a copy?) and get it on inter-library loan, or go visit that library on your next vacation. There is no chance of running afoul, ethically or legally, in that way.
As far as downloading mp3s of rare releases, at least by law (and law is not justice, mind you), you need to consult with the copyright holder, if such still exists. If the copyright holder (and, in my mind, the artist) still exist and have sufficient interest in their legacy work to be contacted by interested parties, then you are required by law to contact them. The main question to ask yourself: what is "the effect of [your] use upon the potential market for, or value of the copyrighted work. Criteria used to determine adverse market effect include (a) accessibility of the work, (b) date of its creation or publication, (c) economic life of the work, (d) price, and (e) evidence of abandonment."
That last quote may be found on this useful webpage: http://copyright.musiclibraryassoc.org/Resources/CopyrightAndFairUse
The US copyright office document "Copyright Basics" (see page 6 for pre-1978 recordings) gives further information: http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ01.pdf
You can search the main repertoires at ascap(https://www.ascap.com/Home/ace-title-search/index.aspx) or bmi(http://www.bmi.com/search/) as to the status of the work. If the copyright has been continued by anybody who cares about the legal issue, youíll find out there.
But probably most of these rare works you describe are now essentially, if not existentially, public domain (since the legal cost of maintaining the copyright in each case would swamp any revenue).
On the side of pure interest in music, the waste and forgetting of music history is shameful and should not be held in the hand of rent-seeking opportunists. Music without ears to hear it is not yet Real.
:: Posted by emory0 on March 08, 2013
...I will definitely check out those cats.
:: Posted by Tom239 on March 08, 2013
The Purposeful Universe by Carl Calleman appeared as morning reading on RFís diary for 16 February. Sigh. While there are many worthwhile things to say about the mathematics and geometry of nature, donít look for them from Calleman. Heís one in a long line of authors who try to bend math to fit his own pet ideas, while showing how thinly and incorrectly he understands the concepts. E.g., in an attempt to see the golden ratio in just about everything, he mistakes an angle in the tetrahedron for one in the pentagon (close but unrelated). And when he mentions a genuine appearance of the golden ratio in phyllotaxis, he doesnít address the (interesting, actual) reasons why it is there. Itís sad to see as rich a topic as mathematics in nature given as dopey a treatment as it is in The Purposeful Universe. Thereís more to say about the book--itís not just wrong about math in nature--but Iíll leave it at that.
:: Posted by robomusic on March 07, 2013
If you dig Professor Longhair, be sure to check out the work of James Booker. He extended the Fess tradition in a way no one else has.
Also, check out current NOLA pianist/composer Tom McDermott. Youíll thank me later.
:: Posted by DanAnderson on March 07, 2013
I will look for out-of-print & unavailable items. One such example is Zygoat by Burt Alcantara. I had the vinyl many moons ago but could never find a CD or download of it. I finally duped it off of youtube and converted it to mp3. This or legal offerings such as the download items from Steve Kirkís website are what I look for.
Tough one, or not
:: Posted by emory0 on March 07, 2013
"So, how does this kind of downloading/bootlegging figure into the debate?"
Itís funny, but Iíve never felt particularly tormented by the few tracks I have but didnít pay for. I still buy CDs and, in general, buy the CD (or in rare cases pay for and download the audio file) for stuff I know Iím going to listen to, at least theoretically.
For this category (stuff where the artist is dead or the music is out of print and largely unavailable) I try to remember anything that I really listened to íongoingí, and keep an eye out for legitimate releases. If the legitimate release comes out I then buy it (or SOMETHING from that artist if what Iím listening to isnít yet available). For me this is easier than you might think just because Iím not really listening to something until I can get it on my "big rig", and definitely not in mp3 form.
One could wring oneís hands and worry about whatís ethical, but I actually try not to worry too too much but cough up some dough every now and then to legitimate-seeming entities.
A big example is Professor Longhair, who is not only not too well known in the US Iíd bet heíd unheard of outside. And yet, he recorded many dozens of albums of superb New Orleans -style quirky songs and piano. The only releases Iíve seen recently werenít actually permitted by Profís estate, so if nothing legit is available I may break down and try to download. Of course, if an official box set becomes available, Iíll snatch it up. In fact, I havenít checked for a year or so, so off I go...
All but lost recordings online
:: Posted by robomusic on March 07, 2013
Hereís a murky area regarding the free downloads issue and Iíd love to hear what the DGM dwellers think.
There are numerous websites that post mp3 versions of rare and out of print recordings from the fringes of the jazz scene. These are hard to find and historically significant artifacts like the albums on ESP in the 60s and India Navigation from the 70s that were thinly distributed in the beginning, and have all but disappeared since. You can find original vinyl on ebay for very high $$$, but this commerce is strictly between collectors and does not include the artists. Without these sites, these significant documents of the development of a whole body of music would never find the ears of contemporary enthusiasts.
So, how does this kind of downloading/bootlegging figure into the debate?
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