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The Power to Label
:: Posted by Carnamagos on September 27, 2013
So, what’s in a name, be it “prog”, or something else? As it turns out, quite a lot, actually.
The furor over the new King Crimson™ formation leads to the following conclusions:
1. 1. King Crimson™ is whatever Robert Fripp says it is.
2. 2. Not only do labels and brands matter, they matter immensely. Those who doubt this should ask themselves the following question:
Would the Internet (as well as your own hearts) be all aflutter if this same array of musicians were forming under a different name, or is it the magic moniker “King Crimson™” that makes your hearts go pitter-patter?
All should answer honestly (especially the nomatophobes), even if only to themselves.
:: Posted by mipoch on September 27, 2013
“There is no nostalgia whatsoever involved in King Crimson.” - RF, 40th Anniversary Tour Box
I hope and trust that this will remain true. As for the suggestion that “no album = no new material”, I would suggest that this need not be the case. For example, “Starless” certainly made its stage debut before being committed to vinyl.
running commentary on new line-up of k.c.
:: Posted by carloschroder on September 27, 2013
seem to be made by musically inclined Comic-Con fans.
expectation is a prison
:: Posted by jellyfish on September 27, 2013
Rejecting Sturm und Drang
:: Posted by arrcee on September 27, 2013
I am thrilled at the possibility of being a witness to this group of extremely talented musicians, regardless of the name they have chosen for themselves.
All this hand-wringing being posted is very un-Zen!
Let it come to you - you may find it to your liking. Or not. Either is possible and of little ultimate consequence.
:: Posted by WaitingMan on September 27, 2013
To weigh in on the debate on the news of the latest KC reformation/reinvention/resurrection... or rejuvenation
The first KC music I ever heard was side 1 of ’Beat’, when a visiting cousin brought it home with him one day. I was hooked & bought both ’Beat’ & ’Discipline’ that same week. The next week, I found a copy of ’In The Court...’ & bought it expecting to hear something like the 2 albums I’d been thrashing (thrakking?) on my turntable, only to hear something more akin to Yes - who I also loved - so I still found plenty to like in the early albums as well. Fast forward a year or so & I’d been taken on quite a ride by all the albums KC recorded between ’69-74, with all the personnel changes, style-shifts & reflections/reactions to the times
All those different players... all those different styles. I was too young to have been a part of the fanbase which lamented the changes in line-up over those initial 6 years, so accepted those changes without question as having been part of the journey. The changes I have experienced since the ’reformation’ in the 90s have been more personally felt, as I’d become attached to the sound of some players (Levin, Bruford), but the acceptance of change as an integral part of the KC process helped ease any pain or uncertainty... as did the continuing overall quality of composition. To these ears, there’s not so much distance between the experimentation of ’Moonchild’ & ’Providence’ to much of ’Construkction Of Light’... with a great many ’Larks Tongues’ numbers to help guide the way. Nor is there much difference between ’Cat Food’, ’One More Red Nightmare’, ’Waiting Man’ & ’Eyes Wide Open’ in the more accessible songs
So now Adrian is no longer in the band... or at least this version of the band. Well, that’s okay really. Who could replace Greg Lake... or John Wetton... or even poor old Gordon Haskell - Nobody. None of those guys were really ’replaced’ as such, their role was reinterpreted & reinvented & now it’s Jakko’s turn. I’m looking forward to it
Though I do agree with the many here asking that this line-up ventures into a studio to record a Love Letter in between all the Hot Dates next year. I would also lend my voice to the small noise coming from Australia, begging for a show or two, possibly tacked onto the tail-end of the as-yet-unannounced-but-inevitable Japanese Dates
We’ve never seen the King down here. Recent tours from Adrian have helped, but there’s nothing like the real thing... or so the DVDs would suggest!!
:: Posted by emory0 on September 27, 2013
"if there’s one thing that’s constant in King Crimson, it’s CHANGE"
Well, kinda sorta. Belew’s been with the group since 1981. That’s like 30 years! And he wrote or co-wrote lots of the songs during that time.
And remember too that the "issue" with Adrian not being Crimson is far more than a mere musical one. Yeah, the musicians don’t in general know the fans personally, nor do we know them (even if we like to think we do). BUT, for those of us listening to Crimson these last 30 years the loss of Belew feels a bit like a favorite cousin or uncle not coming to a family reunion or something. We have the right to kind of mourn or at least bitch about it. A bit.
As for "regressing" into Jazz, perhaps this will be a progression after all. In the Projects there are some distinctly Jazzy elements. Bill Rieflin and Fripp’s album (Repercussions of Angelic Behavior) has a crypto-Jazzy feel.
Between Mel Collins and Bill Rieflin this may be a distinctly space-Jazzy version of Crimson, which could be amazing if they really push it as far as Crimson, theoretically, can.
History repeats itself
:: Posted by fishbonealice on September 27, 2013
Reading the comments herein regarding the absence of AB in the new lineup, you would imagine that many people are ignorant of the history of Crimson, not to mention the nature of the Beast. This is not Led Zep or the Beatles, where a group was defined by having a soundworld created by a consistent set of musicians. KC has been fluid from the beginning, and that is partly what has made it such a fascinating band. And those with memories long enough will know that every change has met with the same tedious outrage. As for the politics of who is or isn’t in the band: while I suppose it’s human nature to speculate on such matters, ultimately it’s really no one’s business but the people involved.
We may or may not like the results of the imminent adventure, but I for one look forward to being along for the ride.
So let’s wait and see.
Jakko vs. Adrian
:: Posted by jmd123 on September 26, 2013
I see a lot of negative commentary on here about Jakko replacing Adrian. Of course WE ALL love Adrian - what a tremendous voice with such range a soul, plus a guitar force to be reckoned with in his own right AND a great songwriter...
However, if there’s one thing that’s constant in King Crimson, it’s CHANGE. Anyone on here not familiar with this...well where have you BEEN? You know Bill Bruford was an essential part of KC for how long - I know of from at least 1972 to 1998! Besides RF himself he and Adrian are the longest-serving continuous members of the band (Tony Levin comes close but he has a few gaps in there). Well, King Crimson evolves along the lines it sees fit to evolve, and determined by RF’s interactions with his many musician friends AND their availability. Let me paraphrase Pope Francis (a pretty wise man from what I have seen so far anyway): "Who are we to judge?"
Besides, if you own "A Scarcity of Miracles" you can already appreciate Jakko’s voice, though very different in character from Adrian’s it has plenty of qualities, at least to my ear, that blend well with the music of Robert & Friends. I just hope they actually DO go into the studio and make so new King Crimson music, there’s WAAAY too much creativity here to just re-arrange older stuff and be content with that. Now, c’mon, Robert, I seriously doubt that any of you have ceased the creation of new musical adventures...just my humble opinion.
:: Posted by martin9 on September 26, 2013
Jakko singing Ladies Of The Road would satisfy these old bones.....
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