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:: Posted by Carnamagos on December 05, 2013
Posted by jbanks on December 01, 2013:
"If by ’heard’ they mean ’actually spent money on’, my score is 4."
*Chuckles* Anti-prog snark just gets subtler and more varied by the minute. But then, we should expect nothing less from those with "excellent taste", I suppose.
I am pretty sure, by the way, that by "heard" the compilers of the list meant "heard".
:: Posted by rja1967 on December 05, 2013
Thanks very much Erik, for the link to those Fragg posts. Much appreciated.
I wondered if Mr Fragg might come out of retirement and offer his opinions on the resurrection of the Crim... or Thing Dismal in Fragg terminology!
:: Posted by Erik_skysawed_in_Berlin on December 05, 2013
I also wondered where Norbert Fragg has withdrawn himself into...
A collection the Norbert Fragg musings can be found on the ET archive site:
Just below the Fripp posts you can find the Fragg posts...!
:: Posted by rja1967 on December 05, 2013
For those among us with long memories I have a question.
Is there anywhere on the net where I can find the collected witterings of that old rock goat, Norbert Fragg? Googling finds individual entries and posts but I can’t immediately find anywhere that has collected them all.
:: Posted by pierre8282 on December 04, 2013
Thank you, Undisciplined, for your thoughtful response to my post. I had been concerned that I might have overreacted to your ’not so fast’, but the condescension oozing from your latest entry set my mind at rest on that score. I know your advice on my concert-going schedule was offered in the spirit of goodwill, but it’s not needed, thanks anyway. And I think everyone understands that he is not obligated to like any album without your having to say so.
First off, I object to this formulation: ’Posted by pierre8282 wrote (or was it huffed?): Before rebutting, there was a question as to whether or not, this should’ve gotten a response.’ because I would never have included that second comma. I also wouldn’t have included a comma in this sentence: ’That’s kind of stepping beyond the assumption of goodwill, that we’re supposed to share at this forum.’
Second, I’m curious to know how, or if, you think ’live performance could breathe some new life into that portion of the concert’ differs from ’when this music becomes the shared ground of a real band, and moves’?
Third, I was struck by the fact that a post that deplores overreaction and evokes the ’goodwill’ commandment for entries virtually begins with the words ’taken personally and set off alarms’ and ends with the words ’poison pen’. Ironic. And, in the case of the latter two words, ridiculous. (Unless of course you were trying to evoke ’The Letters’, in which case your point went right over my head,)
And to conclude, I’d like to take this opportunity to thank Emory0 for his thoughtful response to my post. He and I have disagreed pretty strenuously in the past, so it did my heart good to see his kind assessment of some of my sentiments. And I think that points me to my answer to one of the questions in your post- ’We’re all friends here, though, right?’ Yes. And friends can disagree, even heatedly, without anyone being poisoned, or even losing a friend. As to another of your questions- ’reading a little too deeply into it?’- I’d say, yes, you did.
that's another point
:: Posted by Undisciplined on December 04, 2013
:: Posted by emory0 wrote:
I dunno...I thought Pierre8282 expressed a nice sentiment there. Remember that, technically speaking, A Scarcity of Miracles didn’t quite merit the name of full-fledged King Crimson.
At the time, it definitely was somewhat perplexing that it had the subtitle as a King Crimson Projekct and with the 40th Anniversary-style packaging. Now it makes perfect sense with all of those musicians being brought into the fold, although nobody seemed to be arguing that Scarcity was full-fledged KC, then or now. In retrospect, the Rieflin/Fripp/Gunn discs could’ve been Projekcts. Still, all deserved to be judged on its own merits. Hopefully, the music takes precendence over the nomenclature.
:: Posted by jbanks on December 04, 2013
Mr. Fripp seems to subsist entirely on delicious-looking pastries. Truly he has hit the jackpot wife-wise, to be allowed to get away with it. And from the looks of it, Endless Grief has at least been slimming.
Sunday All Over The World (SAOTW)
:: Posted by gasmrv on December 04, 2013
On 29th November DannyX wrote:
"Agreed that [The First Day] and Damage are both great albums, but I think the real underrated album from the period would be Sunday All Over The World...sort of a cross between The League of Gentlemen and Kate Bush ("Bush League"?). Who was the vocalist on that again? ;)"
Yes, that SAOTW album is quite a bit more underrated than "The First Day", and a very good album it is indeed—the opening track alone is worth the price of admission. Not so sure, though, I’d personally describe it as "a cross between The League of Gentlemen and Kate Bush", but I can see the why one would be reminded of Kate Bush when hearing Tayah singing on "Kneeling at the Shrine".
I thought it a nice sentiment...
:: Posted by emory0 on December 04, 2013
"My fondest wish is that I may be there when this music becomes the shared ground of a real band, and moves us all.
If the album non-plusses you that much, it might be wiser consider alternative plans on the evening when the band hits town, next fall."
I dunno...I thought Pierre8282 expressed a nice sentiment there. Remember that, technically speaking, A Scarcity of Miracles didn’t quite merit the name of full-fledged King Crimson. I think it’s reasonable to believe that, should some of that material find its way to the live Crimson Septet, it will be fully Crimsonized during rehearsal, etc...
ASoM is, in some ways, kind of weightless in a way that Crimson never really is (and I don’t mean weightless in a pejorative sense). Arguably, not all Crimfans will take to it, but in forming the new Crimson around many of those players, Fripp apparently heard or imagined something that would be closer to a real Crim feel. So it’ll be interesting to hear what eventually emerges.
15th November 2013 Diary Entry
:: Posted by apisch on December 04, 2013
RF’s photo clearly shows that Cabinet Maker Thomas ignored the "DANGER DO NOT STAND ON OR ABOVE THIS STEP" label on the ladder. - Tony
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