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:: Posted by emory0 on March 06, 2015

"BTW, were the (somewhat OT) references to Schoenbergís pupils meant to impress me, or someone else?"

Neither. My point in bringing up the 12 tone boys wasnít so much to impress but to punch my way out of the box you tried to cram me and my ears into. Indeed, trying to "impress" by mentioning the 12-tone composers is a bit like bragging about playing a game of D&D all night, isnít it? But my point was that listening to (and enjoying!) a very wide range of music actually requires listening to music on its own terms. Of course, itís certainly possible to listen to music on its own terms and still not like it, but I think the language one uses in such situations doesnít place the onus on the music but on oneself. (And maybe you did this with TCoL, but I, uh, didnít hear that coming from your post.)

An example? Although I will readily grant that Mozartís music is divine and "perfect", I happen to dislike it and, sometimes, even hate it (though I did like Magic Flute). But I am quick to ascribe my dislike of Mozartís music to something I lack or donít have in sufficient quantity. (But then again Glenn Gould didnít like Mozart either!)

TCoL and TPtB are interesting records because they push Crimsonís music out in a certain direction very far, a direction of (for the most part) pretty damned hard rock. Like, Level 5 (one of the great Crimson songs, I maintain). Listening to double duo Crimson requires a very different set of ears than, say, listening to the new 7 piece band. Itís not like listening to, say, Larkís Tongue, but requires a sort of surrender to the ineluctable sound of the 4 piece Crimson.

re: Crieria...
:: Posted by DannyX on March 06, 2015

You confuse criteria with expectations...one can listen with open yet critical ears. Everyone develops artistic criteria (one hopes), qualities that one finds interesting and important, through experience...how else does one learn to make quality judgments, and broaden oneís tastes? Or perhaps one is simply not listening. Of course itís presumptuous to think that everyone has the SAME criteria...that would make for a rather boring existence, wouldnít it? My apologies for misconstruing your poorly worded initial post...it left the impression that sheer volume was an important quality to YOU (I prefer dynamics myself). And I do thank you for your concern in pointing out my íproblemí. BTW, were the (somewhat OT) references to Schoenbergís pupils meant to impress me, or someone else?

New Stormy content coming to DGM Live
:: Posted by mikefrost on March 06, 2015

GREAT NEWS STORMY!!! First the Guildford show on general release (wonder it it had anything to do with what I said on the guestbook...) and now this! Prog on and keep em coming!!!


Will the artwork for the Stormy Monday Vol 7 volume be put up for those of us who painstakingly kept all the individual downloads in order, etc?

Record Store Day
:: Posted by snkzato1 on March 06, 2015

I assume that the record store day releases are CD only?

I need to verify how hyped I need to get for this
CD only.

What we all want!
:: Posted by Bakullama on March 05, 2015

So, some want Rock, some want psychedelia, others prefer hypnotic and moving, or dark, or soothing, or witty, shitty, loud and gritty.... Lucky for us this band delivers it all.

In 1999 I and a few others posted in this guestbook that King Crimson should try their hand at a blues type tune... Then came TCoL. I guess someone was listening. Lol. TCoL is still far and away better than most 20th century "rock" albums anyhow.

Let me get weird for a minute and say that I liken King Crimson to an exploratory satellite like Voyager... Exploring deep space... Going places no-one has dared to go before... Seeking out new life, exploring strange new worlds.... (As dearly departed Spock would say) And for almost 50 years now!!!. Hopefully I will live long enough to see what they discover next.
(Theremin sounds)

:: Posted by emory0 on March 05, 2015

""If itís still boring then you didnít play it loud enough." Ahh, I think I understand your criteria now."

I see the problem now: You HAVE criteria. Good (all?) music brings its own criteria and to fully enjoy the wide range of musics out there one must discard pre-existing criteria, no matter how pleasant the conditions of oneís local Bag End may be.

On the other hand, my favorite of Webernís 6 Pieces for Orchestra happens to be the funeral dirge (3?), so maybe you are right. Then again, Boulez was on fire that night. Anne Sophie Mutter playing the SHIT out of Bergís Violin Concerto didnít hurt either.

Re: TCoL...Boring?
:: Posted by DannyX on March 05, 2015

"This was the Guitar RRRROCCCK one always wanted from this band"...hmm, is that what I always wanted?

"If itís still boring then you didnít play it loud enough." Ahh, I think I understand your criteria now.

:: Posted by emory0 on March 05, 2015

"a damn boring album"

Wait, what?

Try blasting Frying Pan from a real system, not your lilí Mac speakers. This was the Guitar RRRROCCCK one always wanted from this band, now delivered in spades. If itís still boring then you didnít play it loud enough.

Also, pay careful attention to what Trey Gunn is playing: His playing style doesnít draw a lot of attention to itself, but when you actually listen to what heís playing all over this disc itís really amazing.

I actually think both TPtB and TCoL are better albums than any of the 80s records.

The Power to Believe
:: Posted by Headless_Horseman on March 05, 2015

Iím glad to see some love for my favourite King Crimson album. Part II is too beautiful for words, so I wonít bother. The album truly is a beautiful and frightening piece of work. I have a lot of love for this 2000 version of this band.

However, I think that little attack on The ContruKction of Light seemed completely unnecessary. Even though I think The ConstruKction of Light is brilliant, intense, and the most musically terrifying thing the band has done, that doesnít affect my opinion on this point. Itís a review of The Power to Believe, not The ConstruKction of Light. So why bother mentioning it?

:: Posted by Bakullama on March 05, 2015

I was hoping an interesting conversation could have come from the imagery / symbolism subject. But certainly this particular forum has no need or desire for such. And I should have known better.

The power to believe review seemed pretty on target. I often wonder if TCoL and TPTB could have been beautifully fused together as one, with the omission of certain tracks that seemed more suited to a great Belew solo Album.

Great songs, please donít misunderstand. But just did not feel fitting.
Prozakc blues
Oyster soup
Frying pan
Facts of life.
Potato pie... (Was not on either) but very Ade.

This post is intended for entertainment purposes only. And the opinions expressed are only opinions, and by their very nature are untrue, unless you agree with them, in which case they are true.

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