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:: Posted by Bassman on September 29, 2013
While Iím simply happy that KC has a chance of playing again, lost in all the Belew- haha is the return of the great Mel Collins. That in itself will be worth my price of admission.
:: Posted by jtmack on September 28, 2013
"Ian McDonald, or David Cross, or Michael Giles"
Maybe because the aforementioned havenít been in KC for forty years or so.
The idea of a three drummer KC going thought KCís catalog is interesting to say the least.
I donít get it but I usually donít. Looking forward to whatever this new KC brings.
re: Enough about Belew!!!
:: Posted by Wilbert on September 28, 2013
Well mr. Cloudscapes, I couldnít agree more.
Letís be glad that there will be another KC line up at all. Yes, -as mr. Cloudscapes mentions- I donít expect many more line ups to come after this one. So enjoy the fact there is one, again!
I am glad however -and I say it again here but wonít mention the íAí word- that the balance of the line up is in favor of the Brits in the band, as I wrote earlier on saturday 28th, as I think a British ífeelí is necessary for the Kingís music. (see 28th)
Iím glad with the choice of all the musicians in the current line up and to be frank: I feel that the current line up will have the most chance of new influences and progression, and the less chance of repetition!
So again: people, come at ease with that and be glad thereís is a new line up at all !! I am ! And I guess mr. Cloudscapes is as well.
:: Posted by mightymartianca on September 28, 2013
I can imagine Adrian feeling slighted, but at the same time, he admitted a long time ago that KC is Robertís band, and he can do what he likes with it. As I recall, Robert wanted to reform KC in the early 1990s with David Sylvian, but he turned Robert down, so itís not as if Robert hasnít conceived of a post-1980s lineup of KC without Adrian, and not as if Adrian didnít know that Robert had pondered these things before.
And while yes, itís true enough that in linear terms, Adrian has been in KC for 32 years, but KC has been in various stages of hiatus or inactivity for the bulk of that time. So far as any of us knew even a few months ago, Robert had hung up his guitar and stopped making commercial music of any kind. There was a brief bit of life in 2008 and then that was that.
The reason I bring up the fact that KC has not been a constant in Adrianís life is to point out that it isnít even fair for him to say heís been in the band for the 32 years.
KC has always been about a way of making music, and the only constant has been Robert. Even long-time members like Bill or Tony have gone missing, and KC has certainly eaten its share of frontmen.
For me, Iím excited at the chance, if the stars align right, of me being able to KC. While I love Adrianís music, Iíll take any lineup of KC that Robert cares to get on a stage with.
:: Posted by DanAnderson on September 28, 2013
LOL. I remember how, not to terribly long ago, there was an uproar about Adrian Belew even being in Crimson. "Adesís not good enough, he doesnít fit right, how dare he," yadda yadda yadda. He even wrote the tune "Prozakc Blues" about it. Now there is an uproar about how heís not part of the new Crimso line up. Poor old mistreated and screwed out of a position Ade. Ade is in the lineage of Greg, Gordon, Boz, John, and now Jakko. Front line vocalists come and go in Crimso. Deal with it. LOL.
:: Posted by PaulWilliams on September 28, 2013
I think in the case of most past departures from KC the individuals concerned chose themselves to depart. In the case of Adrian I suspect he would have been delighted to recommence.
I think however Robert is looking for the new KC to be a game changing line up with a different musical temperature, and therefore made the difficult decision regarding personnel. The front line which Robert now calls the back line (Jakko Mel and Robert) brings a different voice and colouring to the game.
We have to wait and see, but I anticipate that the musical output from this team of seven is likely to vary between thunder and beauty.
Enough about Belew!!!
:: Posted by cloudscapes on September 28, 2013
Right. Numerous posters are upset that the inimitable Adrian is not to be part of the next KC line-up . . . quite upset it appears. But where, I wonder, is their empathy for the other Crim alum who were also passed over? Why does no-one appear to be bothered by the absence of Ian McDonald, or David Cross, or Michael Giles, or so-n-so . . ? King Crimson once again spires into view at the horizon and people want to complain!? This is to burn daylight only to grumble about the effort. My thoughts of who should and who should not be in this incarnation are of very little consequence, rather, I am over-the-moon thankful that this most remarkable of bands continues, possibly for the final time, to exert itself . . . and in the doing will leave the world just a bit finer than it found it . . . Cheers!
The return of the Crims
:: Posted by Sandro on September 28, 2013
What I like from King Crimson is that you never know...
band vision vs personal issues
:: Posted by heavenly on September 28, 2013
First of all, I am very happy that KC is regrouping again! Having said that, however,Iím also more critical than I ever have been before for several reasons:
Robertís changing vision over the years have made possibel for to be what is nowadays. Without his vision, we never would have been able to experience the changes most of us love in this band from prog mellotron classical laden, to free jazz influenced to metal meets miles davis like impovs, to Steve Reich influenced gamelan pop to post nivana grunge meets Glenn Branca meets KC again, with a touch of electronica / drum & bass. Plus all the various impovs of the projekcts. And now this, a band of seven members, with 3 drummers and re-enivisioned versions of old KC material. In a way it does make sense. Already KC VII went that way and only played newly arranged old material. KC VIII might do it in a more radical way. And it also is in touch wih all th reissues we have been seeing over the past two decades. This is not the KC in terms of producing new material we came to know but it is the KC we know in terms of producing sth. unexpected. So, Iím sure musically it will be imteresting.
In a way, Adrian, as somebody already mentioned earlier, prefers smaller bands and a 7-piece band most likely would not be his preferred choice, Still, most of us know, he would have joined in whatever format KC would have regrouped and would have accepted whatever he would have been asked to do. The problem, however, is a more personal one. Different from all the other really important members such as Greg, Ian, Peter S, John W., Bill B., and Trey, he is almost as close to the Crimson idea as Robert is. Not in terms of concept, that still is Robertís call, but in terms of the incredible contribution he made to the Crimson canon over the period 32 years. And, he was as much an active contributor as much as he remained a fan. Different from the above mentioned players he supported the Crimson idea more than any other, he was the most vocal asking Robert for a reformation. Excatly that might have been the problem. In his very kind and nice way, he became too demanding for Robert. And the problem is not as such that Adrian is not in the group, the problem is the lack of communcation. When Tony was not part of the double duo, Robert called him the "5th" member who would be able to rejoin at a later point. This does not seem to be the point with Adrian.. Nor was there any discussion wiith him on Robertís part prior the reformation. On a personal level that is not okay and I can only say Adrian deserves much better.
3. Scarcity of Miracles
For the first time ever, this is has been a Crimson release, which I like but that never grapped me as any other Crimson formation has done in the past. Again, I do like the unexpected moment by going from the proto metal of the "Power To Believe" to this kind of lyrical setting that is much closer to say "Islands". But it is not necessarily what I am interested in, even though I do like the lyrical moments of the various former KC formations a lot. The 3 drummers set up, however, proposes a different approach and so I am still excited about what will come.
I do hope that the new KC regrouping does not mean the end of the Crimson ProjeKcT. I very much would love to see both of them developing into two different kinds of one basic vision and also would would love both of them to develop, at least some, new original material. That really would be exiting for everybody involved indeed!
:: Posted by randomelement2 on September 28, 2013
If youíre excited to hear new Crimson material, prepare to be disappointed. I know I am.
"There are no plans, he says, for the new King Crimson to enter a studio. They will play "reconfigured" versions of existing Crimson material."
I saw the last tour in 2008. They did reconfigure some songs, which I liked, but others were just pretty much the same. Either way, Iíd rather hear new material than reconfigured, especially since itís over ten years since an album of new music.
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