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:: Posted by Ornate_Coal_Man on October 23, 2014

May I recommend, instead, stepping away from the keyboard, going outside, and enjoying the fresh air and sunshine?

I guess the feverish fans really have to have the product. At the Chicago show I attended in October, the lines for the Murch table were incredible. I hardly go to any big rock shows anymore, so I don’t know if this is typical.

Of course, I am as guilty as anyone-I bought all the reissues, all the MegaBox sets and several tour downloads. King Crimson is approaching Miles Davis liike levels of collection for me.

I am fine waiting for however long it may take for any product to be released from this tour. The starless box, the larks box, the Redbox, the 1995 tour bundle, the 1971 and 1981 bundles, -I think of these as less of a product then as music that will provide me a lifetime of enjoyment

Starless vs Road2Red comparison
:: Posted by kevineden on October 23, 2014


so far so good as far as the mixing goes, but then again I have only played Glasgow, Zurich and Amsterdam to date.

The Amsterdam mix by Steve Wilson is decidedly different in that it sounds more roomy, a little more ambience to its sound. But its still full in your face when needed to be.

Wettonbass is awesome when he turns things up to 11. Brill Buford as ever makes my jaw drop, David Crisscross plays some wild violin and beautiful mellotron lines while the Venal Leader sways between teeth clenching guitar madness and achingly beautiful gentler moments. The best beat-combo in town!

I personally had no problem with any of the R2R mixes. Obviously limited sonics can be applied to bootleg source tapes but the DGM team are truly masters (no pun intended) when it comes to sprinkling magic over the tapes they have at their disposal.

The fact that all of the Starless box comes from either multitrack or soundboard tapes with only the 3 bonus disc being bootleg quality (only added because they complement the other tapes) bodes well for the rest of my listening pleasure (and hopefully your too).

Its great to read so many first-hand anecdotes from fans who were at the gigs on the night and some personal reflections from KC members.

All in all, other feast for eyes and ears and well done to all at DGM for sterling work.

Now what about a box set covering the live period post LTIA-boxset and pre-dating the Starless box set!! There must be loads of tapes to sift though and put out.



#KC2014 Download P.S.
:: Posted by AcousticPhenomena on October 23, 2014

I’m glad to see some people responded to my thoughts on the KC2014 download. I’m always interested to hear what someone else has to say even if that someone disagrees.

In reply to the ’six month easy jail sentence’. My question is why? Why am i waiting six months? What if I die in the next six months? I don’t get to hear KC2014 again because of a scheduling conflict? Many bands are able to make shows available the same night. We saw in KC2008 that DGM is more than capable of meeting the demand, so this seems like a thought out decision rather than an inability. So, let us know! Is the idea to let our experiences mature before relistening in the future? OK, fine. Why not be up front about it?

DGMLive is such a great progressive idea that many older bands have not taken hold of, and DGM did it before it was rather commonplace. Why then, am I not able to walk out of a show from the current tour with a nice DGMLive USB dongle, with the show I just experienced on it? I understand that many people on this forum grew up in a different era where these items could never be made available this quickly. But we do not live in that era. ProjeKct Six got a sampler released right at the end of the tour.

Also, I am a DGMLive customer. I love the site and am expressing excitement and desire to purchase a product. Why should I be made to feel like I’m being childish for asking a business to release something that I want to give them cash for? It seems like DGM wants to have it both ways. You cannot have bootlegs, but we will not counteract this excitement with hi-def promptly released purchasable product.

To meet in the middle, I propose a solution, a la nine inch nails: Why not release a 5 track sampler to whet the whistle of everyone who is yearning, and then continue on the current course for spring 2015? The 5 tracks can be the ones that have been played with some frequency in the last 2 decades, i.e. Talking Drum, LTIA Pt 2, Red, VROOOM, and L5. That leaves all the new stuff to age until the spring, and then I am left with nothing to complain about. Come on AcousticPhenomena, we gave you a 5 track sampler, can you relax now? Well I guess so....

DVD/download debate
:: Posted by DannyX on October 23, 2014

Has anyone else grown weary of the battle between the childish demanders and the oh-so-mature above it allers? Surely there must be another topic worthy of discussion...

:: Posted by DanAnderson on October 23, 2014

I utterly agree with your first two paragraphs. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Starless vs Road2Red comparison
:: Posted by StarlessBibleBlack on October 22, 2014

Hey fellow crims,

As I anxiously wait for my next kc boxset, I was wondering how you guys felt about this new audio output provided there’s no reviews so far (yes, 20+ CDs is a lot!)

I wasn’t totally blown away by the mixing of rtr receipt for a couple of shows... That said they can only go far as the sources would take them. I winery if this is a totally different experience for you folks.

I definitely enjoyed the TGD set and the live in Mainz cd... I hope Wetton is up on the mix in this one! I love hearing his overdriven bass snarl!

Ravenous energy vampires are beating on your door
:: Posted by albemuth on October 22, 2014

I do not want to offend anyone on the dear-old DGM board, but is it not possible to wait a little while before re-listening to the shows?  Or if you have waited some number of years or decades, isn’t six months an easy jail sentence?  Aren’t there enough other artists coming out with new material?  And don’t get me started on all those KC box sets. 

People were recording those recent shows?!  As my kids used to say "Big duh!"  And, as I like to say, "who cares?"  This is 2014, not 1974.  Why go after a bootleg now?  You will only spoil your memory-still-green with a not-so-good recording.  Wait a little while and you will get the usual top-drawer DGM product!

I want
:: Posted by Rockette on October 22, 2014

>The nature of download culture is that you can essentially have whatever you want whenever you want.

>If I can get a great quality audio right from the source, I’m fine paying some money, and it will definitely keep me from hunting down bootlegs. But, this has to happen sooner rather than later.

>I waited a few days into the tour. With no live bootleg on the horizon, I was unable to contain my excitement and immediately began looking for bootlegs

>My reward is having to wait 6 months.

>I think I and probably a few other drooling fans would like some more insight as to why we’re being asked for patience from a site whose purpose is to make live shows available in a very on-demand and global fashion.

>What I am is someone who had an amazing time on this last tour and wants to enjoy it over and over and over and over on my ride in to work.

Quite a wish list, with some demands sounding almost like veiled threats. I think the moral here is, sometimes you can’t get what you want!

#KC2014 Downloads
:: Posted by Valhalla on October 22, 2014

’AcousticPhenomena’ have you ever heard the phrase, ’patience is a virtue’, or if you have, do you understand it? One of the very negative traits of this ’modern’ world is the selfish attitude of  ’give it to me now, I want it now’. What do you ’want’, anything tossed out from any night of the tour? Who cares about the ’quality’ or quantity of a recording? And if it is not of decent quality or one doesn’t like it, then simply throw it out & demand more! I am relieved that a live recording, if it surfaces, will be of a selected value. Not something tossed out there for the ravenous few in this world, who simply ’cannot wait’!
Who can tell, there may not be any live recordings made available, now that would be a boil over for some ’fans’, one would think! Myself, I would much prefer to wait & get something of quality, hopefully, but if not, so be it!

Where is Robert ?
:: Posted by llampcat on October 22, 2014

Two weeeks whitout news, no diaries, no touring
With only a couple of days break after the US tour, Robert then flew to Argentina to undertake work with the South American Guitar Circle. As we speak, he is most likely in an airport terminal many miles from home.

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