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Exciting news indeed
:: Posted by thoregil on October 01, 2013
Really happy that King Crimson is on the move again. They must be the only band always moving forward in new directions through more than 40 years.
Picking up the thread again with the setup from the latest, excellent, album (plus Bill Rieflin and Pat Mastelotto) seems like a natural move, but what would I know about that...
Best of luck, and letís hope for some recordings along the road.
thoughts on the new KC
:: Posted by orrason on October 01, 2013
I very much support the new KC reformation. I think having Mel Collins is great, the more wind instruments the better. He will balance out against the electronic tendencies of RF. I also believe that in order to get a new sound and a progression from away from the past Adrian had to leave. Adrian is such a strong voice and character of KC music that he will always leave strong mark on the overall sound. He did a great job and is a very inventive guy. KC will now be more English and I have missed the englishness of KC. Good luck with the project RF but I wonder how to fit 3 drummers in the sound space.
:: Posted by crimson73 on October 01, 2013
When KC last reformed in 2008 to play historical material, the emphasis was very much on songs from the Adrian period - lots of Discipline and Vrooom era songs in the play-list. I have a feeling that with Adrian in the band, the repertoire would lean very much in the same direction. I wonder if Robert deliberately wanted to do something substantially different from 2008, playing different songs and this to some extent dictated the choice of personnel. With less emphasis on the post-1981 songs, it made less sense for Adrian to be in the line-up.
Like kbrunkhorst I wonder if improvisation will play a role in the new line-up. It was a major aspect of the Larks-era band, but may be hard to pull off successfully with a large band, most of whom donít do improv much in other contexts and wonít have the time to be develop the kind of musical telepathy that allowed the Larks band to pull this off.
As always, I may be completely wrong on all counts...
Duologue, Dissention, Double Talk (& Trouble?)
:: Posted by WaitingMan on October 01, 2013
Talking with a fellow Crimson fan the other day about ~ what else ~ the new line-up, it occurred to me that what the new 7-piece will be missing is Adrianís sense of melody... & attitude
Jakko is a fine singer & player, but there are no tunes on A Scarcity of Miracles that really stick to your brain in the way that Matte Kudasai, Dinosaur, or Eyes Wide Open do... Iíve owned Scarcity for about a year now & listened to it more than a few times, but never find its songs replaying in my head later, the way í80s - í00s Crimson songs do
Given there are no current plans for this new line-up to visit a recording studio, the above may well be a moot point, but...
The other thing missing will be Adrianís willingness & ability to play with & against Fripp ~ which led to the Gamelan sound & all those interweaving lines. Again, no disrespect to, or aspersions cast at Jakkoís talents, but again, using Scarcity as an indicator, the guitar interplay wasnít there... the only counterpoint being Mel Collins, who was being very polite with his playing ~ wonderfully lyrical & occasionally soaring, but very polite. There wasnít much in the way of complexity, tension & release, which has always been a major part of Crimsonís music
Of course, with Adrianís approach comes a distinct personality & it may be that Robert didnít want that kind of clash for the new formation. But I think it has been those personality clashes which have fuelled KCís greatest moments. Ian Macdonald, then Greg Lake, then Boz Burrell, then Bill Bruford & then Adrian ~ these strong players & stronger personalities create so much of the fire & fizz we love to hear
My mind & ears (& eyes) are wide open, but with a year to wait, one canít help but wonder... & theorise... & debate
Three Drummers Drumming
:: Posted by jericsmith on September 30, 2013
In re: Has anyone heard a rock band with three drummers?
Frank Zappaís 1974-ish band featured drummers Ralph Humphrey and Chester Thompson and percussionist Ruth Underwood. Iíd argue that was Zappaís best band ever.
The Allman Brothers have been rocking a similar three drummer line-up for years . . . Jaimoe, Butch Trucks and Marc Quinones. Does the trick there, too.
I suspect at least one of the drummers (probably Rieflin) will be carrying melodies in some form, like Ruth Underwood did with Zappa.
KC, expectations, and the river
:: Posted by kbrunkhorst on September 30, 2013
The first thing everyone notices about the new KC #8 (after being surprised to learn that it even will exist at all) is that it will have three drummers. But a drummer is much more than a guy who hits things hard and often. Witness Bruford: a drummer highly skilled in texture and melodic parts of acoustic and electronic kinds. Bill Reiflin plays more than the drumset, as has been pointed out. Pat M could conceivably make a lot of sound and fury without actually picking up the sticks. The only ístraightí drummer, if you will, is Gavin, and to call him a drummer is understatement.
The next thing is the reinclusion of Mel Collins. A saxophone. The last time we heard one in KC was Red, of course.
And then thereís the absence of Adrian. This is bound to upset everyone who wants to hear him again, forgetting that he made great music before KC, and has and will continue to do so. Yet Jakko plays guitar quite well; I would doubt that Robert would wish to share the stage with another guitarist if that guitarist didnít have something to offer.
But itís not just the instruments. Itís the people. Robert has demonstrated time and again that he makes music with people, not instruments or instrumentalists. I would propose that he sees a possible chemistry in this combination. And at this point of his life, I doubt he would have seen them in KC if he didnít enjoy working with them.
That Robert has said that there will not be new music written leaves me to wonder what they will play. I wouldnít rule out anything; I hope they wonít either. The audience may get to hear nearly anything from the back catalogue, a prospect which some may anticipate with expectations. But some may be disappointed if their favourite tune doesnít sound like it did in its previous form. I believe that any old repertoire, however it appears, may be subject to makeover, rearrangement, or whatever this group hears or seeks in it. (Even if they attempt to reproduce it ífaithfullyí, which would surprise me, there will be important differences.) The music always tells the musician what it wishes to be. I have no interest in a KC cover band, even if itís called King Crimson and Robert is in it. The thought of some of this music being reinvented is attractive to me. You never step in the same river twice.
Personally, Iím looking forward to it. I found sometimes that the Double Trio had too many cooks in the kitchen, and a high level of density that buried some things that might better have blossomed. If this Crimson improvises (some did so more than others), it will take real skill and listening to keep things clear. There are times to step forward, and times to step back, and with seven players, this will be quite a process. But I choose to trust Robertís vision. Crimson, this method of doing things, his its own power.
re: CrimsonDeLux... keyboards etc.
:: Posted by Wilbert on September 30, 2013
"Bill Rieflin, not just a drummer heís a multi-instrumentalist, Percussion, Bass and Keyboards."
Yes I thought Bill played the keyboards as well. Thatís interesting.....
Letís get the Mellotrons back in: Mel, Bill and Robert playing mellotron at the same time: that would be a hell of a íSailorís Taleí, or better: a complete íNavyís Taleí.
KC VIII, three drummers?
:: Posted by CrimsonDeluxe on September 30, 2013
Bill Rieflin, not just a drummer heís a multi-instrumentalist, Percussion, Bass and Keyboards.
:: Posted by Rockette on September 30, 2013
Has anyone heard a rock band with three drummers?
:: Posted by emory0 on September 30, 2013
"Belew was around way too long.new line up not worth bothering to get .excited about.wont be buying cd or going to live shows"
So wait, you didnít like Crim for the last bunch of years and you donít like where itís going. Arenít you a ray of sunshine! Do you even like this band? Whatís the point of you posting? Wait, let me try it your style:
"You know what? I donít like this band and never did. Whatís more, I donít want to say anything that would be useful or relevant to anyone reading these words. Whatís more, for anyone who DOES bother reading these words Iím not going to bother with punctuation or grammar so that itís absolutely clear I gave it zero thought or energy."
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