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:: Posted by miles58 on March 30, 2016

Iam with Frank, I have spent a lot of English pounds, in the main with DGM and in last couple of years with Burning Shed. To find out that Itunes now sells some download which has an extra track which I may have to purchase because I suffer from an addiction of being a completest in all things crimson; this causes me great angst.

I do not wish to purchase anything from Apple at this moment in time for reasons which are not worth discussing in this forum. I suggest that DGM sells this same download on their own site to allow those individuals who do not support apple to make the purchase. I have to say its most disingenuous to selling music on itunes that is not readily available on DGM. I realise this will cause people who have been calling for crimson material to be on itunes to cringe but its old fashioned customers like myself who keep the small companies going, but hay ho itís a free market, or is it.

I hope DGM is not slipping into a corporate domain which treats its customers without respect, how awful would that be. By the way Live in Toronto† is excellent, looking forward to the boxset later this year. I need to fed my habit.
David will be writing a diary entry sometime today, and will address the iTunes issue, Stormy

The Beast has landed... In my mailbox.
:: Posted by JBeerLTIA on March 30, 2016

Jakko, you have a wonderful voice. And your support isnít half bad :) That is all.

Re; Live in Toronto Flac
:: Posted by Valhalla on March 30, 2016

After waiting for my broadband connection to be repaired over the last few weeks, I have Just downloaded & decoded the Flac file & it sounds great indeed! Will now digest it over the next few days & post an observation sometime soon! Thanks DGM. Bravo!

On the extra Discipline track
:: Posted by pyroseed13 on March 29, 2016

My understanding, just from sampling it, is that the extra track on the iTunes version of Discipline is just a compilation of Discipline studio tracks that have already been released as free downloads on here. So if youíve been keeping you with Mr. Stormyís Monday downloads, you probably already have everything.

Discipline iTunes extra track blues...
:: Posted by DanAnderson on March 28, 2016

Iím there with Frank. Iíve spent a bundle of money on the Beast collection only to see that there is a mix that I have to buy the entire album in order to get. I am not as fanatical a completist as I used to be but this sucks. If it is included on a Discipline box set or if the Beat box set is a combo of the trilogy of albums, well okay. Otherwise, it sucks. My 2 cents. David will be writing a diary entry sometime today, and will address the iTunes issue, Stormy

iTunes artist share
:: Posted by Rockette on March 28, 2016

>I consider iTunes not being exclusive to the artistsí account, but the major share goes to a corporation bigger and richer as some developing economies...

Actually, iTunes has set a reasonable example by paying more to the artist than most download sites, and certainly ***WAY*** more than the execrable Spotify, who I suspect would pay musicians nothing if they could get away with it. To quote a seemingly knowledgable web source, "Apple takes $0.30 from a $0.99 sale. Of the $0.69 left, half goes to the label. The other half goes to the publisher..."

Since KC own their own recordings (and are therefore presumably able to retain some of the label revenue), itís not a bad split. This would not be the case if the band was still signed to a grossly unfair, old-school record deal, but happily theyíre not.

Apple iTunes stores have a great world reach AND their .m4a music files are much better quality, and smaller in size, than mp3s. BTW I donít work for Apple, but I know plenty of musicians who are reasonably happy with the iTunes royalty model.

:: Posted by fhc339835 on March 28, 2016

Sid, Dan, all,

Very interesting post about a special track of Discipline available from iTunes shop only. As I never had neither an Apple nor intend to do so ever, iTunes is not my area of concern. Now it becomes, as iTunes customers seem to be preferred to others.

My understanding is as follows
- DGM has a partnership with iTunes to extend its market, creating a completely new sales channel, which is very favorable for all (even for dudes from the stone age like my only using FLAC, WAV and mp3 files for local storage, but never go cloud).
- DGM sell their most commercial oevre (most of the regular albums) via this new channel - great!
- DGM adds audio material exclusively available via the new channel - not so good, as this requires spending precious lifetime in research how another channel works
- The new iTunes channel sells material which is exclusive for this channel only - this upsets me a lot

Why is this? As a dedicated follower and supporter of DGM, KC and associated artists I am willing to expense a lot of money. In case of Discipline this was: 2nd hand of LP and first CD (not to the account of the artists) as a schoolboy, and later with my own income in 30th anniversary and the 40th anniversary DVD edition.

Anyway, so far I have purchased about 99 % of the dgmlive catalogue, all boxes, all records, all collectorsí club...

It is of course disappointing that the extra track is only available by spending 12 bucks for the whole album, which is already in my cupboard 2 times.

Help me out: Does iTunes sell data files, or streaming only? If it the latter, its is getting very annoying

I am willing to pay again for Discipline if it features undiscovered territory, if it is sold directly by the artistsí vehicle.

I consider iTunes not being exclusive to the artistsí account, but the major share goes to a corporation bigger and richer as some developing economies...

I am very grateful receiving insights about this business topic matter.

Kind regards
David will be writing a diary entry sometime today, which will address the iTunes issue, Stormy

:: Posted by Rockette on March 28, 2016

>Putting in "requests" for particular tracks is rather odd.

Itís not uncommon for listeners to put in requests for their favourite songs on upcoming tours, and it could be  a useful reminder to the band as to which tracks are particularly popular. No point shouting them out during the gig of course... rehearsing such complex repertoire with a seven-piece band takes months of preparation, the musicians canít suddenly conjure a tune* out of thin air.

(*With the possible exception of that old KC favourite, Louie Louie.)

Does Crimso do requests?
:: Posted by throbber on March 28, 2016

Putting in "requests" for particular tracks is rather odd. Your typical professional musician doesnít do requests. Do you intend to shout them out during the gig, as well? How would you like if a client of yours started telling you how to do your job?

Setlist ideas- improvisations, the 80s
:: Posted by crimson_fan on March 27, 2016

Two humble requests for the bandís consideration regarding upcoming performances:

- full on improvisations (as in separate improvs ala Trio)
- the 80s tracks. Iím not sure if any of these have been played recently and while I understand this Crimsonís focus on more jazzy and raw sound reminiscent of the pre-1981 incarnations (which I love) I do miss the 80s stuff. personally. Perhaps Sheltering Sky could make it onto the setlists?

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