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What changed?
:: Posted by DevlinC on November 03, 2014

I wonder what changed for Robert to now consider what is essentially the Scarcity of Miracles band to now be "King Crimson"? As in, why now and not then, if none of the other members are involved in the writing process?

Iíve still yet to hear all of Scarcity of Miracles - the title track put me off when the video was released - but Separation from the Elements box set is pure Crimson through and through, at least in my opinion. Interesting to see how this develops.



New Material
:: Posted by jacethecrowl on November 03, 2014

Oof - a bit of ugliness on the board of late. This band owes us nothing, and today we awoke to the news of RF and JJ developing new material, and hours later word that they are reviewing 2014 tour recordings for public consumption. I for one am tickled that the beast has been rejuvenated and inspired to create, and with the imminent Starless set, fans shouldnít have to be convinced how fortunate we are to be enjoying this embarrassment of riches.


RE: AcousticPhenomena
:: Posted by snkzato1 on November 03, 2014

1) King Crimson does not own the venue.
2) When you are undergoing PUBLIC performance, you do not own the PUBLIC.
3) Recording at concerts is not illegal.
4) If youíre just a casual concert goer (i canít imagine this applies to most KC fans), is it your responsibility to know the taping policy of every band you go and see? The four quarters guys seem to do a great job of keeping the super annoying cell phoners in check. If youíre still taping even after they ask you to stop, yeah, youíre being intentionally aggressive, but itís not like they really have the right to stop you, do they?

1) The venue often holds the same íno tapingí policy. Itís often not just the band asking to not tape, but the venue it self.

2. Actually it is not a public performance. It is private. It requires a ticket. It is open to the public, but it is private. You had to pay to get it in, and therefore you are subject to the rules of the invited event. Do you act like an idiot and disrespect a hostís house rules at a party?

3. Yes it is if it is the policy of the venue to ban taping or respect the bands desire to ban taping you are in violation of the stated agreement you made upon purchasing the tickets and entering the venue. I doubt anyone would ever follow with court action, but they have the right to remove you for violating the policy of the venue. The venues I am certain knew that this was KCís intent and agreed to it allowing KC to implement a much stricter security team as I noticed in Madison.

4. As mentioned, yes they do, and they have the right to ask you to leave if you are in violation of the policy of the venue. Again it is private property and a private concert.

And Tlev can photograph because he asked and got permission. He is also in the band! There is no double standard here. Get over it.

Maybe Iím crazy, but this entitled attitude is appalling that just because you paid the ticket fee you are free to act however you want. In the case of King Crimson Iím seeing what could be described as an older group of fans act like twelve year olds. Somehow people seem to think they are obligated to a free recording of a concert that many of us paid a decent chunk of money for. How pathetic and immature is that? Do you bring your camcorders to the movies or the opera and declare you have the right to record the show?

At the most basic level one should be able to respect the musicianís desires to not have their show recorded or photographed. Why is it hard to not respect that? Why do people feel obligated to stomp their feet and act like jerks just because they canít do whatever they want. Sorry you are grown-ass adults, you are entitled to nothing, and maybe it is time to start acting like it.

Iíve heard one of the Albany boots. Itís a poor reflection of what I heard with my own ears in September. I can respect the desire for those who didnít make it to the show to want to hear it, but in the case of King Crimson it is so obvious they will release a well made, well mixed, live album. Chill, go listen to the hundred billion other live shows of them that exist and come back in March.

In a day when we find out there is NEW KING CRIMSON coming we are here debating something that barely is debatable.

The Piratebay troll is a sad entitled brat.


Illicit activity
:: Posted by emory0 on November 03, 2014

"3) Recording at concerts is not illegal"

Actually here in the US I believe taping is illegal unless the band (and maybe even the Hall) has relinquished its rights on that front.

But I think thatís besides the point. I wasnít really talking about an issue of who has the right to do whatever. Itís more around the question: "If you insist on taping live performances, why continue to attend performances of a band that has made it absolutely clear they donít want taping by members of the audience? Why not go see a different band that encourages taping?" Proceeding to tape in that context basically means bringing a certain amount of hostility into a social context that I might also be a part of.Why would anyone want to participate in the creation of a hostile environment?

Put in another way, I wouldnít want to sit next to a taper even if I didnít know he (and itís certainly a "he") was taping: That kind of asshole energy has a way of splattering onto you, even if you donít know how or why.


Phone-free zones
:: Posted by rzachol on November 03, 2014

An article about a startup that provides concert venues with phone cases that lock your phone when you enter a phone-free zone.

http://www.cnet.com/news/phone-crazed-audiences-and-fed-up-musicians-yondr-is-on-the-case/


Re: Slack-jawed
:: Posted by DannyX on November 03, 2014

I can understand feeling dismay that another individual would disrespect the bandís wishes and tape a private event. But equating that with sociopathic behavior...seriously?


Re: AN EVENING WITH ROBERT FRIPP
:: Posted by DannyX on November 03, 2014

I was there that evening as well....still have the ad clipped from the paper. Other than the music, my strongest recollection of that night is rear-ending a sports car with my truck in the pouring rain on the way to the event. That wasnít you, was it, Jeff? ;)


Marknmark
:: Posted by Bakullama on November 03, 2014

I got the point marknmark... And I also agree with your assessment. I was just rambling on about how we all have the proverbial skeleton in our closet. Every day i am thankful that the world is not shining a light in my direction. I also forgot to add "sharp dresser" to RFs public image description.

Sorry Iím somewhat of an improviser when it comes to message boarding.


Scumbag...
:: Posted by AcousticPhenomena on November 03, 2014

"Like sneaking a slice of bacon you will secretly eat into the house of an orthodox Jewish or Muslim friendís home"

1) King Crimson does not own the venue.
2) When you are undergoing PUBLIC performance, you do not own the PUBLIC.
3) Recording at concerts is not illegal.
4) If youíre just a casual concert goer (i canít imagine this applies to most KC fans), is it your responsibility to know the taping policy of every band you go and see? The four quarters guys seem to do a great job of keeping the super annoying cell phoners in check. If youíre still taping even after they ask you to stop, yeah, youíre being intentionally aggressive, but itís not like they really have the right to stop you, do they?


This is from the torrent (Which I did NOT POST please donít slice my neck I just know how to google)



"Iím posting this on The Pirate Bay as a big Fuck You to Robert Fripp and his attitude toward tapers and because itís the only place that isnít afraid to keep it posted when Fripp & Co. try to have it taken down. Itís nice to see a private show where one of the "friends and family" of a band that cracks down the hardest on bootlegging was a taper."

"Many thanks to xxxxxxx for taking the risks he does, and for his "Fuck you. Itís not yours anymore" attitude toward bands, one I wholeheartedly embrace"




Yeah. That dude is a douche bag. But TLev is immune to the no-photos-please policy. I would suspect that the friends and family get to do what they please? I doubt that the guy who put up the big FU is the same person who taped the show. It was probably passed around out of excitement and finally got into the hands of someone who has now ruined it for everyone.


Re: Scumbags
:: Posted by markmmarkm on November 03, 2014

Bakullama, Iím afraid you missed my point due, in part, to the disjointedness of these forum posts.

To wit: Fripp cited Dylan as an example of one one would not expect to lie (along with Hendrix and Lennon).

I posted a link to a Rolling Stone article which points out Dylanís numerous untruths spoken to the press over the years (and also written in his Chronicles book).

 

Re: Scumbags
:: Posted by Bakullama on November 03, 2014

Masks are coming off everywhere... From Cliff Richards to barackobama, scandals abound. These are the days of enlightenment and truth. Hang on, it may get bumpy. As for Mr. Fripp, his public image is exactly what he says it is... Forthright, honorable, prick when necessary. Ya gotta respect that.


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