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:: Posted by tim7777 on June 21, 2014
Beat is a geat album.
RE; Beat, Drummers etc
:: Posted by Valhalla on June 21, 2014
Beat is an interesting record & because it follows the first album Discipline, it suffers from the inevitable comparison scenario! Discipline as the first album, has that raw energy of new ideas, new songs & new energy etc! I have always liked Beat very much & rate it highly, as I do 3OAPP! That 4 piece band rocked big time & the two guitarist worked brilliantly together & Bruford & Levin were in fine form indeed! What a rhythm pair they were!
In regards to the drummer comparisons, wasnít Mastelotto brought into Crimson for the solid, metronomic time keeping role? The opposite to Brufordís drumming in many ways. Gavin Harrison I have witnessed live with Porcupine Tree on 2 separate occasions & he is every bit a íCrimsoní type of percussionist! I am not sure how Rieflin will ífití in though, time will tell & he may be playing some sort of keyboards at certain times anyway! Bring it on the mighty Crim! Hooray!
:: Posted by JBeerLTIA on June 21, 2014
Beat is one of those albums that I never think to choose first when getting my KC fix. I think, as a result of that, when I do pick Beat, I am always satisfied. It is a dark horse, for sure; not quite unified, astounding music, but in certain areas it can fall flat.
Right off the bat, Neal has a hypnotic intro. I love it. Not to mention the "Iím wheels. Iím moving wheels" line. Itís one of my favorites from Belew. The song is strange in a way that it sounds Crim, but then it also doesnít, which is what I assume is what Fripp was insinuating about the collapse of vision. Obviously, Iím the vicarious one here, and am only going off bits Iíve heard from various places, but wasnít Fripp going for a commercial edge? The radical change of sound, Exposure, and LoG kind of allude to it, imo. Not that thereís anything wrong with that, but to be a gamelan-esque band with pop tendencies has to be tough to balance.
Discipline was (among other things) a record that no one could have ever come up with, but somehow it happened. The sound of it still makes me wonder "how do you get such an idea?" For as talented as the guys are, following that up probably scared the shit out of them. You canít follow Discipline without it sounding like you were trying too hard. But amazingly, thatís not what you get in Beat. Itís great music that unfortunately had to follow a near perfect album.
I say near perfect because Iím not a fan of Matte Kudasai anymore than I am of Heartbeat. Theyíre too far up the pop scale for me, and with it being 30 years on, the timbres and execution come across as too sappy. I normally skip them. Especially since then I get to hear Sartori, which I can never get enough of. Damn, I canít wait to hear that in 5.1!!
Two Hands unfortunately suffers being surrounded by the monstrous tracks on either end. It definitely grew on me, I love what Robert and Bill are doing in it. Neurotica would be interesting to hear as just a Bill and Tony solo, not only because of how awesome it would sound, but also maybe Iíd be able to understand a bit more of that musical madness. The Howler is a song that I donít think gets enough credit, and may be one of my favorite Crimson songs. Itís not an off the wall composition, but then again, no one would quite come up with a song such as that. Great melody as well.
In a depressing way, Requiem is perfect for this album. It is pure feeling, and unfortunately it was a sad one. I sometimes wish this band could have lasted until now, but even 2 years before its implosion this song made it very clear that that wouldnít happen. I rarely get into the lyrical side of things, I more often "feel the music" and as such, I canít always listen to this one. Itís like as if the band was throwing everything that they could at you, assuming you couldnít brave the onslaught. But now the storm is over, youíre still there, and you see the shell come off, and see what really is. You are listening to a broken heart.
For all its ups and downs, I love Beat, and all this examination of it makes me want to listen to it now. So long!....
:: Posted by toycritic on June 20, 2014
I agree Gavin Harrison is a certifiably great drummer. But since weíre rating drummers, I also rate Pat Mastelotto highly for his electronic drumming, which was so critical in the ProjeKcts. That went way beyond keeping a beat. On the two occasions when I saw the Double Duo live, I paid attention to Pat. He was really at the heart of that version of the band as well as the ProjeKcts. And he doesnít get nearly enough credit for it!
:: Posted by ericbest on June 20, 2014
Responding to Sidís invitation re Beat: I really liked side 1 but felt that side 2 lost its way a bit (I miss sides). Iím not sure why, but the album sounded friendlier, more emotional, than usual for KC. I am particularly fond of Satori and Waiting Man. I didnít understand Heartbeat until I heard it on Adrianís solo album - great song: perhaps Adrianís version should replace the version on Beat?. For me, mostly the album just needed more material - it ran out of steam.
:: Posted by emory0 on June 20, 2014
"Gavin Harrison can certainly hold his own."
I saw Gavin play with this great backing band (Porcupine Tree) and he was really flabbergasting. Heís definitely in Brufordís league, chops-wise, though slightly more rock-oriented in feel than Jazz-oriented, as Bruford was.
Pat M is interesting: I think he has all the chops of practically anyone around, but he seems to hang close to the beat in order to give the other instrumentalists a break. Heís almost a "rhythm drummer", as opposed to a sort of solo-ist drummer.
:: Posted by TheMarkedMan on June 20, 2014
"No band in the 80s (including the then ívanguardí new rock groups) had such a sophisticated approach in the rhythm section."
Go listen to some Gamelan music. This is undoubtedly a key influence in the interlocking guitars of 80ís KC. Steve Reich also must have encountered Gamelan at some point.
:: Posted by Maximus on June 20, 2014
I didnít like anything other than Discipline, when it comes to the KC 80s era. Except maybe for Requiem and Sartori. How deaf I was! I came back to what I have overlooked few years later, and IMO, 80s era, í74 and ProjeKCts are my favourite manifestations of The King.
Well, Iím definitely not a fan of Heartbeat, the only thing that makes this sonic-something worth listening to is Tony Levin. And occasional additions from the-man-behind-it-all.
I remember listening to Requiem when I was in a bus driving to high school. My goodnes, what the fuck was that?!?! Sheer sonic madness, and for a guy who just found the Music that is not a 3 minute flash of cheap emotions, it was an attentive challenge. Not only holding my attention was hard, the track itself is difficult, as Robertís solo is nothing but a growl of anguish in few places.
Quick note: listen only and only to live versions of Sartori. My fav.
The overall verdict of Beat is this: fantastic and completely necessary album. Yes, it is not as good as Discipline and the drop in quality is definitely felt, which may provoke one to quickly judge it as a failure, like I did. Coming back few years later, I have overlooked a LOT. Neurotica, N,J&Me, Waiting Disco Man(despite its Disco flavor, it sounds good). This is how Mr. Crimson sounds when he has 80s vocabulary at his disposal. Its good that this album happened, despite the apparent flaws here or there... The highlights justify its existence IMO.
Re: beat - agree w/kc
:: Posted by DannyX on June 19, 2014
I agree with many of your points: the Poseidon after Court comparison (similar pieces given a lesser reworking); the force-fit íBeatí concept; the uneven balance between Belewpop and Bobant-garde; even the naming of the band. But I donít think they ran out of ideas, or had nothing left to say, they just needed more time. ...13 years, as it would turn out.
Re: Beat at 25(?)
:: Posted by DannyX on June 19, 2014
Substituting XTCís English Settlement and Gabrielís Security for Elvis C. (and stretching time a little) and you have MY summer of í82. Man, those were the days...
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