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That Sense of Entitlement?
:: Posted by bloggulator on November 24, 2014
Reading some of the recent commentary regarding "a lack of immediate product" in the wake of the tour, or "the forthcoming live album is not long enough" - it strikes me as if that "sense of entitlement", so ubiquitous in modern times, has even infiltrated the KC fan base. This is a shame.
Being familiar with KCís history - a band driven largely by forces outside of industry and marketing convention - should not we all be aware enough to expect the unexpected, or not to expect the expected? Whatís with all the moaning, bitching, whining and bleating? Perhaps we should be aware that the band membersí scheduling and work load do not allow for the type of "instant gratification" re. public releases that a number of posters appear to demand.
When I read, a few days ago, that a King Crimson 2014 live album was due for release in January 2015, barely 3 months after the last chords of the final encore in Seattle faded into the applause, I jumped for joy! The last thing on my mind was "how long the album was to be", or "how many songs" would be included.
Sadly, I couldnít attend any of the 2014 "Elements" shows. Now I shall be able to listen to a sampling of what I missed - and the same goes for so many of us who were unable to see and hear the band live. Surely this is a time to express gratitude, and a cause for celebration, rather than to complain?
And as a final thought, IMHO, this iteration of King Crimson, just from second hand reports, reviews and the actual line up itself - is the strongest of them all. The possibilities are endless.
New KC album...
:: Posted by schizoidman on November 24, 2014
Great news about the forthcoming KC album! Really canít wait to hear this. A vinyl edition would be much appreciated. Forty minutes is exactly right. And then a new studio album, maybe?
Live album and diary
:: Posted by matthusela on November 24, 2014
On the live disc:
Very much looking forward to the live disc. Of course like any fan, I can never get enough, but itís great to get this. Clearly they have their reasons.
On the diary:
Another poster lamented the ending of posting Frippís diary. Say it isnít so. Actually, I donít remember seeing anyone official write that it is so. Sid, is it so?
Reports of the demise of RF's diary are untrue. The diary will be updated as soon as his schedule will allow - as you may have noticed the last few months have been rather busy and continue to be so.
2015 live release
:: Posted by jacethecrowl on November 24, 2014
Personally, Iíd be delighted if my favorite band elected to put out even a measly 7" record. I hope RF and Co. donít read this forum and think -- THESE are the ungrateful creeps that we do this for? Anybody who calls themselves a fan should dial back the outrage, realize this is a band with a plan, and await the riches KC inevitably has in store for us.
Who's driving the new Crim?
:: Posted by DevlinC on November 24, 2014
On the announcement of a 40 minute live album, a thought occurs. The current Crimson promotional and touring activities seem light-years away from everything that Fripp has been doing for the last 20 years.
The most obvious comparison for the live release is Heavy ConstruKction - a 3 CD set containing the entire live show plus a disc of improvs and CD-ROM video files too. Obviously there could never be a disc of improvs for this tour, but why not release the whole thing? Who had the idea to make it more of a USA/Earthbound type release, and might this mean a vinyl release for it too, in keeping with Scarcity of Miracles being available on the format from day one?
Donít get me wrong - Iím very excited by the new approach, and Iím thinking I have Jakko to thank for it, but if Fripp had a blinding flash of how to approach this new stage of the band I wouldnít be surprised. I hope heís not addressed this in his diary already but I donít read it religiously, particularly not now that itís always so out of date.
RE; live track listing wish list with NO expectations!
:: Posted by Valhalla on November 24, 2014
Personally, for my taste in Crimson, I would prefer to hear the early 70ís material, but not the track Red, as it has been performed many times over the past years. Also, I think it is the weakest track from that album. I will enjoy hearing anything from the recent gigs though, it is all good!
:: Posted by markmmarkm on November 23, 2014
Fripp considers acoustic guitars an anachronism (I agree).
Vinyl time limitations in a CD age for a live album are also anachronisms.
Not everyone got to see them live.
TraKc listing wishlist
:: Posted by caseyjbye on November 23, 2014
So what is everyone hoping will be included on the live album? Anyone see a show on the recent tour that included a particular piece you think is worthy of inclusion?
Hereís my wishlist
Personally, "Level 5" and "Coda: Marine 475" seemed like standouts at the Chicago show I attended.
One of the slightly longer "Interlude" improvs would be nice seeing as the "new" material weíve been given has been mostly small samples and not full band interactions.
"Pictures of a City" wasnít played the night I saw them, so itíd be new to me.
And surprised as I am to say this, Iíd like a live version of either "A Scarcity of Miracles" or "The Light of Day" (maybe preferably the latter). A Scarcity of Miracles was the first Crimson related album I, unfortunately, couldnít find something to love in. So one of the most moving moments of the show for me was the surprise of how much joy I found in the live performances of both of these songs. It really meant something that new Crimson material could still surprise me and offer a truly new dynamic to what the band has to offer (it felt like hearing "Heaven and Earth" back in 2000 and realizing the new direction of Crimson then). It definitely had something to do with the use of the Mellotron in place of the Roland on the scaping bits and how "out" the band, especially Tony and Mel, went on "The Light of Day."
What is everyone else hoping for?
not everybody here posts to complain
:: Posted by Undisciplined on November 23, 2014
Count me among those who are delighted to received the news of the new live CD. Considering the fact that these concerts only these concerts only took place in September, itís rather impressive to have physical product available in January.
:: Posted by emory0 on November 23, 2014
"A definitive and powerful record of live music does not necessarily have to represent every single thing that happened in the performance"
Agreed. Iíd rather have a shorter CD that can actually be digested in a single listening session than some bloated larger thing with "everything" on it, that I might or might not really want to listen to a second time. In the future, of course, Iím sure thereíll be plenty of shows available for download (perhaps all of them?) but for now Iíd like to have a 40 to 50 minute CD (or better yet a DVD-A or SACD) of stuff that is all really excellent and that makes me want to sit there and LISTEN.
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