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:: Posted by JBeerLTIA on November 23, 2014

I am with Simkin Eden on this. Itís getting a touch ridiculous, guys. Letís go back to talking about music, eh?

:: Posted by timohara on November 23, 2014

For many years of my youth, the gold standard of live rock and roll albums for me was The Whoís Live at Leeds. I knew every second of that album and listened to it a thousands of times. Itís still burned into my consciousness so many years later. Running time? 37:42.

When an "Expanded Edition" finally appeared so many years later, it was wonderful to hear all that music that surrounded the stuff I knew so well. But Iím still glad I got so many years of listening enjoyment out of that original 37:42.

John Coltrane, "Live at the Village Vanguard"? 36:31
Jimi Hendrix, "Band of Gypsys"? 45:16
King Crimson, "USA"? 40:56

A definitive and powerful record of live music does not necessarily have to represent every single thing that happened in the performance. In the last few years, DGM has made available a lifetime of listening for the obsessive completists among us. I for one am looking forward to a concise live album to show us a taste of what this incredible lineup is capable of.

In an aside, I am hopeful that DGM has given some consideration to making a smaller scale release from the recent boxes, for the non-completists among us. I would love a chance to lay out some hard-earned cash for the new treatment of the Mainz show, for example.

Or perhaps itís time for a second volume of "The Great Deciever"?

40 minutes of bitterness
:: Posted by fhc339835 on November 23, 2014

Still having issues with physical and mental reactions indicating stress.
I have a sound explanation why the CD should be short: The material was the only one inheriting a specific flavor, meeting the artistsí expectations. It is their intellectual property.
I believe both the HC 2000 triple set released during the same year and the full bundle recently made available evidence 13 years later that tours at their beginning can be outstanding and decisive. The BíBoom release as response to bootlegs was the same category even the sextet had shown a light glimpse only of its capacity developping over the next 2 years, even the development during the few Argentinean gigs is jawdropping as we are priviledged to recognize nearly 20 years later with the recent bundle.
Therefore I am fully convinced that the 2014 elements tour is worth a full release either as a download or a physical some 40 CD box.

More lies
:: Posted by SnakeCained on November 23, 2014


Itís all lies!

Maybe we should edit it?

From the bottom of the page -- on lying!
:: Posted by markmmarkm on November 22, 2014

"A lie divorces who we are from what we are."

The 40-minutes thing
:: Posted by markmmarkm on November 22, 2014

Bruford, in his autobiography as I recall, stated Fripp was like a combo of Stalin, Gandhi, and Marquis de Sade.

Perhaps two of those are at play with the decision of a 40-minute live CD when a CD will hold about twice that.

ProjeKct Four
:: Posted by royskagen on November 22, 2014

As far as I remember back to 1999, when the Dgm Newsletter still came in paper edition now and then, I was really excited when I read about a forth comming release. It was a ProjeKct 4 Live recorded video or DVD. To day I was listening to The Roar of P4, a Great album, and I suddenly remembered this newsletter and thought it would be Fantastic to see this "group" play. What happend to this release? So I wonder if someone else remember this, and if Sid knows anything about this? Cheers, Roy Skagen
Hi Roy,
I worked on the P4 tour and I don't recall any video being shot other than a static camera which perhaps captured snippets of gigs which John Sinks or Robert Frazza would have shot. I doubt these would be enough to constitute an in-concert DVD release etc. I believe there was some bootleg footage though I can't recall which gig this was now.

Why Am I Here?
:: Posted by simkin_eden on November 22, 2014

Iím old enough to have heard the In the Court Of The Crimson King when it was released, and since then nearly every King Crimson release has been a revelation of some kind of another.

This was, particularly here in the UK, a welcome diversion from the so-called popular music lauded by nearly all branches of the press. Those of us who found little of interest in the commerciality of the two-and-half minute single at last had something of artistic value and merit to listen to.

Of course KC were not the only ones, but they were the only ones for whom it was almost impossible to predict the musical style of their next release.

Now forty odd years later I am still listening to them in all their forms, and when I do I hear things I hadnít heard before. Nearly all their releases sound still sound Ďnewí and innovative.

So on this forum many, like me, have arrived here in a mind to find out more and celebrate those we have followed over the years.

To find this year that Robert Fripp felt able to form yet another incarnation of KC was a pleasant surprise, you have to remember that he is not a young man anymore and has done his share of touring. It is good to know he enjoyed it and is contemplating more. For those of us in Europe unable for all reasons to see KC in the USA this year the possibility of a recording of some of those events is something to look forward to.

ButÖ Yes there always seems to those who wish to carp. Now we have postings on here that are no more than a litany of complaints.

Not satisfied that the forthcoming release will only be 40 minutes, not satisfied that there will be no download (Iím surprised that people only want downloads, yes I do download music but then always transfer it on to CD, maybe it is my age but a want a physical product. Though it may have much more to do with working in computers for over thirty years, I know that losing data is easy to do and difficult to rectify. People seem to prefer physical product, just look at the sales of the LTA, Red and Starless boxed sets [No, not Ďbox setsí Ė a Ďbox setí is a matching set of empty boxes, a boxed set is a collection of similar objects in a box!])

I digress.

I daily visit this site for the news and the forum to learn the latest about KC and those with any connection to them (thank you Sid for keeping us all updated) and to see what other admirers think.

Of late there seems to be more whinges than admiration.

Getting it
:: Posted by Rockette on November 22, 2014

>40 minutes? I agree with others who have either implied or flat out have said they donít get it.

What I donít get is that an exceptional band reforms with an adventurous line-up , tours America to rave reactions and releases a CD soon afterwards, and people here are still moaning that they want something else. Glass half full, guys! 45 years down the line, youíre lucky thereís any music at all.

is it a generational thing?
:: Posted by andyfromozz on November 22, 2014

I have a great turntable and a great vinyl collection
including many well worn KC LPís...most LPs are around 40 minutes long, so Iím not upset about the length of the new LP.

(anyway as I always tell the ladies, itís not about the length, itís what you do with it that counts!)

I am more likely to listen to a 40 minute LP more often than an entire concert anyway...so bring on KC Elements Live!

Really looking forward to it (though I am still bummed that I can never see them play the music too)

Thanks also to the bloke who mentioned Rachel Flowers, just checked her out on YT, she is amazing!

cheers andy from OZ

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